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Post by weatherwatcher on Jun 13, 2018 8:01:14 GMT -5
DSIPTD, (DISSIPATED) STNRY (STATIONARY)
They are not in the updated 7900.5D.
Also, Is the 90 degree rule no longer applicable? Do we have to end a VCTS? I can find no direct clarification in manuals or any of the myriad of memos.
I've looked at several stations and it seems things are done similar but different. I've even seen "&" instead of "AND"?
It seems as if the new 7900 was written for ATC not CWO.
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Post by chachiman on Jun 13, 2018 9:54:59 GMT -5
Yes, those abbreviations still stand for us (CWOs). The dissipated remark though is just DSIPT. No beginning of end of VCTS is necessary. Only beginning and ending for TS at station. Also, I know what you are talking about with the ampersand or "and" remark. I work at ATL and we use the ampersand to help shorten the observation remarks, but we use 'and" in CHA where I also work. There is no guidelines in the 7900.5D for these particular remarks issues.
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Post by vorticity on Jun 13, 2018 10:00:58 GMT -5
From FAA Order JO 7900.5D, Chapter 14, paragraph 14.18.b. (1): "Use of Contractions and Abbreviations. Where plain language is called for, authorized contractions, abbreviations, and symbols should be used to conserve time and space. However, in no case should an essential remark, of which the observer is aware, be omitted for the lack of readily available contractions. In such cases, the only requirement is that the remark be clear. For a detailed list of authorized contractions, see FAA Order 7340.1, Contractions."
VCTS is for automated reporting only. Begin/end time remarks are not reported for weather phenomena "in the vicinity" of the station.
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Post by weatherwatcher on Jun 13, 2018 10:22:53 GMT -5
THANKS
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Post by hlsto2 on Jun 13, 2018 13:34:10 GMT -5
7900 is still a confusing mess full of inaccuracies. one inaccuracy that causes a domino effect throughout the manual is VCTS. book says it CAN'T be entered manually...but it CAN. I do it all the time (along with TS) when ALDARS is asleep. I have seen 5-10 minute delays with ALDARS reporting a TS or VCTS. yes...DSIPTD is the correct contraction for DISSIPATED. MOV is the contraction for MOVING/MOVED according to 7900. a number of sites report MOVG/MOVD
our faa contractions manual 7340.1V is dated 18 april 2002. a number of contractions have been changed since then. SNOINCR is now SNINCR...MTN is MT...OVHD is now OHD...to name a few
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Post by northwx on Jun 13, 2018 16:57:10 GMT -5
FAA response to sleeping ALDARS? Does the poor lonely thing get a sleep buddy? That's it - we'll just deploy twice as many crony-capital trash and that will fix everything... Wait for it... ALDARS 2 coming to a site near you... (at least it's not Monday... couldn't resist... ) We still use DISPTD & DISPTG; MOVD when they move out of sight, otherwise MOV; SNINCR as appropriate.
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Post by sunny9 on Jun 13, 2018 22:21:41 GMT -5
The latest Contractions Manual JO 7340.2H is available on line via this page: www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/ The book is very large, though, and takes awhile to download. What's nice about this pdf version is the find function: type CTRL F on the keyboard to open a little window, then type in the word or words that you are looking for. Keep hitting ENTER to get to the next word when there are more than one in the document.
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Post by hlsto2 on Jun 14, 2018 0:14:06 GMT -5
The latest Contractions Manual JO 7340.2H is available on line via this page: www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/ The book is very large, though, and takes awhile to download. What's nice about this pdf version is the find function: type CTRL F on the keyboard to open a little window, then type in the word or words that you are looking for. Keep hitting ENTER to get to the next word when there are more than one in the document. good job! thanks!
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Post by coldlover on Jun 14, 2018 4:11:04 GMT -5
[quote author=" weatherwatcher" source="/post/14550/thread" I've looked at several stations and it seems things are done similar but different. I've even seen "&" instead of "AND"? [/quote] IF "&" is used- it will not show up on the ADDS site. It shows up as "/". I use "AND". I am not into counting characters. If the weather report I put out is accurate but goes off the screen- that's HQ's fault and they need to come up with something with more characters then an abacus....
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Post by weatherwatcher on Jun 14, 2018 6:02:44 GMT -5
So is it DSIPTD OR DSIPT? Also, Cant seem to find the 90 degree rule anywhere in the new manual. Is one of our long standing rules no longer applicable?
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Post by TCU 2U2 on Jun 14, 2018 8:45:14 GMT -5
[quote author=" weatherwatcher" source="/post/14550/thread" I've looked at several stations and it seems things are done similar but different. I've even seen "&" instead of "AND"? IF "&" is used- it will not show up on the ADDS site. It shows up as "/". I use "AND". I am not into counting characters. If the weather report I put out is accurate but goes off the screen- that's HQ's fault and they need to come up with something with more characters then an abacus.... [/quote] KATL 140252Z 12004KT 9SM -RA FEW008 SCT080 BKN110 OVC150 23/21 A3007 RMK AO2 TSE52 SLP174 LTG DSNT NE-SE & W TS DSIPTD CB DSNT NE-SE & W P0034 60113 T02280206 51018
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Post by hlsto2 on Jun 14, 2018 11:18:14 GMT -5
So is it DSIPTD OR DSIPT? Also, Cant seem to find the 90 degree rule anywhere in the new manual. Is one of our long standing rules no longer applicable? it's DSIPTD. DSIPT is the contraction for dissapate...DSIPTD is for dissapated. 90 degree rule is long gone. I still use it...N-E-S. I see some sites N-S. E-W...etc
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Post by weatherwatcher on Jun 14, 2018 11:42:59 GMT -5
GOTCHA
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Post by tornado on Jun 15, 2018 11:39:48 GMT -5
Some places should use the ampersand (&) instead of trying to spell AND.
METAR KHXD 141950Z 20005KT 9SM -DZ SCT080 BKN220 24/23 A2999 RMK TSE1940 MOVSDIR LTG DSNT S AMD SW
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Post by weatherwatcher on Jun 15, 2018 11:59:07 GMT -5
LOL. LITERALLY. Thats all we can do any more, laugh
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