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Post by tornado on Jul 6, 2015 11:21:27 GMT -5
It has come to the attention of the observing community, that some level C LAWRS sites commonly put ASOS into AUTO mode,
when the control tower is open. That then becomes level D service; in other words, it is the very degradation of service that the FAA
claims has not happened. This thread will be to document such times.
Norfolk International Airport in Virginia (KORF), seems to be in AUTO mode an inordinate amount of the time. Today, here is a
summary of their flights, both arrivals and departures, for late morning into early afternoon:
For a level C airport, that seems fairly busy. Yet, here are the weather reports for KORF so far today:
METAR KORF 061551Z AUTO 21008KT 10SM FEW028 30/22 A3012 RMK
AO2 SLP199 T03000222 TSNO
SPECI KORF 061547Z AUTO 21009KT 10SM FEW029 29/22 A3012 RMK
AO2 TSNO=
SPECI KORF 061531Z AUTO VRB06KT 10SM BKN029 29/22 A3013 RMK
AO2 T02940222 TSNO=
METAR KORF 061451Z AUTO 17010KT 10SM FEW024 29/23 A3013=
METAR KORF 061351Z AUTO 18006KT 10SM CLR 27/23 A3013=
METAR KORF 061251Z AUTO 18007KT 10SM CLR 26/22 A3014 RMK
AO2 SLP204 T02610222 TSNO=
METAR KORF 061151Z AUTO 18005KT 10SM CLR 25/22 A3013 RMK
AO2 SLP202 70032 T02500222 10250 20228 51009 TSNO=
METAR KORF 061051Z AUTO 15004KT 10SM CLR 23/22 A3013 RMK
AO2 SLP201 T02330217 TSNO=
METAR KORF 060951Z AUTO 15003KT 10SM CLR 23/21 A3012=
METAR KORF 060851Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 23/21 A3010 RMK
AO2 SLP193 T02330211 55001 TSNO=
METAR KORF 060751Z AUTO 09004KT 10SM CLR 23/21 A3010=
METAR KORF 060651Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 23/21 A3010 RMK
AO2 SLP191 T02280211 TSNO=
METAR KORF 060551Z AUTO 16003KT 10SM FEW045 SCT060 BKN080
23/21 A3010 RMK AO2 RAB02E39 SLP194 P0000 60032
T02330211 10256 20217 58010 TSNO=
METAR KORF 060451Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM FEW028 BKN034 BKN070
23/21 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP198 T02280211 402830217
TSNO=
METAR KORF 060351Z AUTO 06006KT 10SM FEW048 23/21 A3012 RMK
AO2 RAE22 SLP199 P0002 T02280206 TSNO=
METAR KORF 060251Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM -RA FEW034 BKN110 22/20
A3013=
SPECI KORF 060238Z AUTO 00000KT 3SM -RA BR SCT036 SCT050
BKN065 22/20 A3015 RMK AO2 P0030 T02170200 TSNO=
SPECI KORF 060228Z AUTO VRB04KT 1 3/4SM +RA BR FEW014 BKN038
OVC065 22/20 A3014 RMK AO2 P0019 T02170200 TSNO
METAR KORF 060151Z AUTO 08004KT 10SM -RA FEW120 25/23 A3013=
METAR KORF 060051Z AUTO 09004KT 10SM CLR 25/23 A3010 RMK
AO2 RAE16 SLP193 P0000 T02500228 TSNO
Not only has KORF been in AUTO mode today, it has been in TSNO mode. Why is that? That is especially puzzling, considering that as of 1617Z, there is lightning not too far away:
 
Another airport that is in AUTO mode most of the time, is Ogden, Utah. Here is a brief
summary of their flights:
KOGD is not as busy as KORF; yet, the control tower is open. So why is KOGD in
AUTO mode?
METAR KOGD 061453Z AUTO 15005KT 10SM CLR 23/13 A3013 RMK
AO2 SLP142 T02330133 53009 TSNO
METAR KOGD 061353Z AUTO 19005KT 10SM CLR 22/13 A3011 RMK
AO2 SLP137 T02170128 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 061253Z AUTO 16005KT 10SM CLR 19/13 A3010 RMK
AO2 SLP136 T01940128 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 061153Z AUTO 16011KT 10SM CLR 19/13 A3010 RMK
AO2 SLP131 70002 T01890128 10217 20183 53009 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 061053Z AUTO 18006KT 10SM CLR 18/12 A3008 RMK
AO2 SLP127 T01830122 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060953Z AUTO 16005KT 10SM FEW100 19/12 A3007 RMK
AO2 SLP121 T01890122 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060853Z AUTO 20006KT 10SM CLR 20/12 A3007 RMK
AO2 SLP123 T02000122 53008 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060753Z AUTO 17005KT 10SM CLR 20/12 A3005 RMK
AO2 SLP119 T02000122 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060653Z AUTO 04004KT 10SM CLR 21/14 A3005 RMK
AO2 SLP116 T02110144 403060200 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060553Z AUTO VRB03KT 10SM CLR 21/16 A3004 RMK
AO2 SLP116 T02110161 10300 20206 51011 TSNO=
ETAR KOGD 060453Z AUTO 33005KT 10SM CLR 22/15 A3004 RMK
AO2 SLP115 T02220150 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060353Z AUTO 34004KT 10SM CLR 24/12 A3002 RMK
AO2 SLP109 T02390122 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060253Z AUTO 31004KT 10SM CLR 26/14 A3000 RMK
AO2 SLP100 T02560144 51006 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060153Z AUTO 35011KT 10SM CLR 27/14 A3000 RMK
AO2 SLP099 T02670144 TSNO=
METAR KOGD 060053Z AUTO 35009KT 10SM BKN120 28/13 A2999 RMK
AO2 SLP092 T02830128 TSNO
KOGD is also in TSNO mode. Why would some level C sites, be providing level D service so much of the time? 
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Post by tornado on Jul 6, 2015 13:31:01 GMT -5
Another issue: why do LAWRS sites often log off ASOS during thunderstorm activity? And then sign back on once the thunderstorm has passed, or diminished? Here is an example from July 1st, at Lawrence, Massachusetts:
SPECI KLWM 011941Z 27006KT 1 3/4SM +TSRA SCT030 BKN038 OVC080
22/19 A2971 RMK AO2 VIS 1V5 RAB15 TSB07 P0008
T02220189 $T01830172
SPECI KLWM 011951Z AUTO 20003KT 2 1/2SM VCTS -RA BR SCT030
BKN038 OVC049 23/21 A2970 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT N AND
NE RAB15 TSB07E51 P0011 $
METAR KLWM 011954Z AUTO 00000KT 8SM VCTS -RA SCT030 BKN037
OVC080 23/21 A2970 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT N AND NE RAB15
TSB07E51 SLP058 P0011 T02280206 $
SPECI KLWM 012047Z 23004KT 10SM SCT033 BKN046 OVC110 26/21
A2970 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NW-E RAE24 P0000 T02560211 $
How about ASOS in TSNO mode, with TS information? Melbourne, Florida, 1 Jul 2015: SPECI KMLB 012213Z 14012KT 10SM VCTS SCT040 31/22 A3007 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW TS SW-NW MOV LTL LTG CG T03060217 METAR KMLB 012253Z AUTO 16011KT 10SM SCT040 30/22 A3009 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT S-NW SLP188 TS SW-NW MOV LTL LTG CG T03000217 TSNOSPECI KMLB 012300Z 18009KT 10SM VCTS OVC055 30/21 A3010 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW AND NW PRESRR T03000211 |
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Post by skobie on Jul 6, 2015 13:39:55 GMT -5
Because then they can blame ASOS and not get blamed themselves. With no rules or quality control on LAWRS sites, why not. If there's an accident, they figure they won't take the heat. And controllers don't give a crap about FAA's line of no degradation of service.....or was that a rhetorical question?
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Post by zoomthundersnow on Jul 6, 2015 13:53:36 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me if there is a memo from the FAA instructing them to do so, "Priority of Duties."
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Post by tornado on Jul 6, 2015 14:43:04 GMT -5
SPECI KORF 061833Z AUTO 23013G21KT 1 3/4SM R05/3500VP6000FT +RA SCT022 SCT032 OVC041 23/20 A3009 RMK AO2 RAB24 P0006 T02330200 TSNO SPECI KORF 061846Z 30003KT 7SM -RA FEW022 BKN036 BKN070 24/21 A3010 RMK AO2 RAB24 P0021 METAR KORF 061851Z 00000KT 7SM -RA FEW022 SCT037 BKN060 24/21 A3010 Norfolk Intl came out of AUTO/TSNO mode, after heavy rain. Then this happened:  That was at 1940Z. Let's see what happens.  Well, this happened: METAR KORF 061951Z 14009KT 10SM BKN100 27/23 A3009 RMK AO2 RAE03 SLP189 P0000 T02720228 I guess all this lightning according to a professional weather company, Weather Tap, somehow went undetected by both ALDARS and ATC:  Nearby Norfolk Naval Air Station recorded a thunderstorm: SPECI KNGU 061813Z 16007KT 3SM -TSRA BKN020 BKN110 27/23 A3010 RMK AO2 TSB11 LTGICCC S-SW TS S-SW MOV NE-E T1 SET T02670233 METAR KNGU 061859Z 12006KT 9SM TS BKN020CB BKN110 24/22 A3011 RMK AO2 RAE40 TSB11B14B15 SLP196 LTGICCC NE TS NE MOV NE T1 SET P0005 T02440222 That's despite the 2 airfields being less than 6 miles apart:  |
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Post by sunny9 on Jul 6, 2015 16:10:58 GMT -5
I think that what often happens is that the ASOS automatically logs the control tower observer off after 9 hours, and no one notices. When the controllers change shift, the oncoming person should sign on to the ASOS, but probably does not, and so the 9 hour timer logs off whoever was logged on. We could tell that it is a deliberate log-off if there are fewer than 9 consecutive METARS with someone logged on.
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Post by kukblue1 on Jul 6, 2015 18:49:57 GMT -5
South Bend for years never goes to Auto and there is no one in the tower from 12am-5am. They stay logged on and leave. I have call the FAA about it. Gone to the Local Media yet no one seems to care.
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Post by alstein on Jul 6, 2015 19:28:52 GMT -5
That Norfolk storm looks like it started before they shut down (assuming 10-11pm shutdown time)
If they're there, they're supposed to be doing it, logged in or not.
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Post by tornado on Jul 7, 2015 9:41:41 GMT -5
Gainesville, Florida, 5 Jul 2015:
SPECI KGNV 051913Z 00000KT 10SM VCTS SCT055 SCT065 32/20
A3013 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT ALQDS T03220200
SPECI KGNV 051935Z AUTO 27024G37KT 2SM +TSRA FEW027 SCT042
OVC055 23/20 A3017 RMK AO2 PK WND 27037/1927 LTG
DSNT ALQDS RAB31 TSB30 P0000 T02330200
SPECI KGNV 051940Z 28022G33KT 3/4SM +TSRA BR SCT039 BKN050
OVC085 22/20 A3018 RMK AO2 PK WND 27037/1927 LTG
DSNT ALQDS RAB31 TSB30 PRESRR P0005 T02220200
ATC logged off ASOS as the thunderstorm worsened. From calm winds, the gust to 37 knots was not reported until 8 minutes after the fact.
Naples, Florida, 5 Jul 2015:
SPECI KAPF 052314Z 25010KT 9SM TS FEW060 31/24 A3008 RMK
AO2 LTG DSNT N-SE TSB14 T03110244
SPECI KAPF 052335Z AUTO 23005KT 9SM VCTS FEW025 SCT039 31/25
A3009 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT N-SE TSB14E29 T03110250
SPECI KAPF 052345Z AUTO 11010G16KT 10SM TS BKN025 BKN038
28/21 A3010 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT N-SE TSB14E29B40
T02780206
METAR KAPF 052353Z AUTO 13007G16KT 080V160 10SM TS SCT025
BKN033 BKN039 27/21 A3010 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT N-SE
TSB14E29B40 SLP190 T02670206 10322 20267 53004
SPECI KAPF 060014Z AUTO 11006KT 1 3/4SM +TSRA BKN033 OVC043
25/21 A3011 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT N-SE RAB12 TSE2355B2359
P0006 T02500206
SPECI KAPF 060023Z AUTO 02010KT 3SM TSRA BR OVC037 24/22
A3012 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT N-SE RAB12 TSE2355B2359E15B16
P0009 T02390217
SPECI KAPF 060044Z AUTO 04011KT 1 3/4SM +TSRA BR FEW022 BKN036
OVC043 23/22 A3012 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB12
TSE2355B2359E15B16 P0031 T02330222
METAR KAPF 060053Z 35007G16KT 1 1/2SM +TSRA BR SCT020 OVC036
23/22 A3013 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB12 TSE2355B2359E15B16
SLP201 P0042 T02330222
This was another Florida site where ATC logged off ASOS during a thunderstorm.
Orlando-Executive Airport, Florida, 2 Jul 2015:
SPECI KORL 021937Z 31014G25KT 1 1/4SM +TSRA FEW031 BKN042
OVC055 26/22 A3009 RMK AO2 PK WND 28029/1926 WSHFT
1923 VIS 1/2V5 LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB26 TSB08 P0009
T02560222
SPECI KORL 021949Z AUTO 18009G14KT 10SM -TSRA SCT044 OVC050
26/22 A3011 RMK AO2 PK WND 28029/1926 WSHFT 1923
LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB26 TSB08 P0010
METAR KORL 021953Z AUTO 19008G14KT 10SM TS SCT044 OVC050
26/23 A3011 RMK AO2 PK WND 28029/1926 WSHFT 1923
LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB26E51 TSB08 SLP200 P0010 T02610233
SPECI KORL 022042Z AUTO 09007KT 10SM VCTS SCT100 BKN120 26/23
A3010 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E RAB1959E12 TSE36
P0000 T02560233
METAR KORL 022053Z 00000KT 10SM SCT110 25/23 A3009 RMK AO2
LTG DSNT NE AND E RAB1959E12 TSE36 SLP192 P0000
60010 T02500233 50006
Putting ASOS into AUTO mode, was level D service, during a thunderstorm.
Orlando-Executive Airport, Florida, 4 Jul 2015:
METAR KORL 041953Z 13016G23KT 10SM FEW110 33/22 A3010 RMK
AO2 LTG DSNT NE-SE SLP193 T03280217
METAR KORL 042053Z AUTO 14011KT 10SM CLR 29/22 A3008 RMK
AO2 LTG DSNT NW-E SLP189 T02890217 56012
SPECI KORL 042150Z AUTO 13008KT 10SM VCTS CLR 29/22 A3009
RMK AO2 LTG DSNT W-N
METAR KORL 042153Z AUTO 14007KT 10SM VCTS CLR 29/22 A3009
RMK AO2 LTG DSNT W-N SLP192 T02890217
SPECI KORL 042205Z AUTO 11011KT 10SM CLR 29/22 A3009 RMK
AO2 LTG DSNT W AND NW T02890222
METAR KORL 042253Z AUTO 11006KT 10SM FEW070 28/21 A3011 RMK
AO2 LTG DSNT W AND NW SLP199 T02780211
SPECI KORL 042304Z AUTO 34004KT 10SM VCTS SCT065 28/20 A3013
RMK AO2 LTG DSNT W AND NW PRESRR T02830200
SPECI KORL 042319Z AUTO 32003KT 10SM FEW038 BKN060 BKN100
28/22 A3013 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW-NW T02830217
METAR KORL 042353Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 28/22 A3013 RMK
AO2 LTG DSNT SW AND W SLP203 T02830217 10344 20278
53010
METAR KORL 050053Z 18003KT 10SM CLR 28/22 A3013 RMK AO2 SLP203
T02780217
Again, when thunderstorms were near, ATC signed off ASOS to let it handle them. ATC signed back on once the thunderstorms had passed or dissipated. This was the scene at Disney World near Orlando that night:
Orlando-Sanford Airport, Florida, 2 Jul 2015:
SPECI KSFB 021907Z 25010KT 10SM FEW060 35/21 A3007 RMK AO2
LTG DSNT ALQDS T03500206
SPECI KSFB 021927Z AUTO 29023G31KT 2 1/2SM TSRA FEW037 BKN060
BKN090 28/21 A3010 RMK AO2 PK WND 29031/1927 LTG
DSNT ALQDS RAB24 TSB27 PRESRR P0000 T02830211
SPECI KSFB 021935Z 30024G34KT 1SM +TSRA SCT035 SCT047 BKN060
24/20 A3009 RMK AO2 PK WND 28034/1929 WSHFT 1921
LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB24 TSB27 P0001 T02390200
ASOS was put into AUTO mode, to handle the beginning of the thunderstorm.
St. Petersburg-Clearwater Intl, 5 Jul 2015:
METAR KPIE 052153Z 30012KT 10SM VCTS CLR 27/23 A3012 RMK
AO2 LTG DSNT N-SE SLP198 T02720233
SPECI KPIE 052250Z AUTO 34016KT 10SM FEW027 SCT037 BKN065
24/24 A3012 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE-SE
METAR KPIE 052253Z AUTO 33018KT 10SM FEW027 SCT037 BKN070
24/24 A3012 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE-SE SLP198 T02390239
SPECI KPIE 052309Z AUTO 32013G19KT 10SM VCTS BKN028 BKN034
BKN065 22/22 A3014 RMK AO2 PK WND 35027/2255 LTG
DSNT NE-SE PRESRR T02220222
SPECI KPIE 052326Z AUTO 35012KT 2 1/2SM R18L/2600VP6000FT
VCTS +RA BR FEW018 OVC027 20/20 A3015 RMK AO2
PK WND 35027/2255 LTG DSNT E-S RAB15 P0009 T02000200 $
SPECI KPIE 052340Z AUTO 04010G17KT 9SM VCTS -RA BKN018 OVC029
21/ A3016 RMK AO2 PK WND 35027/2255 LTG DSNT ALQDS
RAB15 P0010 T0206 $
METAR KPIE 052353Z AUTO 05009G17KT 10SM SCT020 SCT029 BKN035
21/ A3016 RMK AO2 PK WND 35027/2255 LTG DSNT ALQDS
RAB15E43 SLP213 P0010 60010 T0206 10328 20200
53015 $
SPECI KPIE 060002Z AUTO 04008KT 10SM VCTS FEW020 SCT029 SCT035
21/ A3016 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT ALQDS T0206 $
METAR KPIE 060053Z 05011KT 10SM VCTS CLR 20/ A3015 RMK AO2
LTG DSNT SE AND S SLP211 T0200 $
ATC logged off ASOS, during the worst conditions of the thunderstorm.
Louisville, Kentucky, 3 Jul 2015:
SPECI KLOU 031944Z 27008KT 2 1/2SM VCTS RA BR FEW010 BKN016
OVC021 23/21 A2987 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW AND W TSB05E20B23E38
P0007 T02280211
METAR KLOU 031953Z AUTO 31013KT 1 1/4SM +TSRA BR SCT016 BKN032
OVC080 23/22 A2986 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT E AND SW TSB05E20B23E38B52
SLP105 P0014 T02280217
SPECI KLOU 032011Z 31005KT 3SM -RA BR FEW018 BKN075 OVC100
23/22 A2985 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW TSE09 P0011 T02280217
ATC logged off ASOS for the METAR, which was the worst of the thunderstorm.
Owensboro, Kentucky, 3 (4) Jul 2015:
METAR KOWB 040256Z 00000KT 2SM -TSRA BR BKN010 BKN017 22/21
A2990 RMK AO2 50013 60032 T02160211 P0007 SLP121
METAR KOWB 040356Z AUTO RMK AO2 PWINO PNO FZRANO TSNO SLPNO
SPECI KOWB 041250Z 34007KT 3SM BR OVC003 A2998
METAR KOWB 041256Z AUTO RMK AO2 PWINO PNO FZRANO TSNO SLPNO
A thunderstorm may have put out the ASOS sensors at 0356Z. All the data was missing. The ATC
solution was to log off ASOS and put it in AUTO mode, rather than back up any data. When the sensors went out again several hours later, ATC had the same response: log off ASOS.
Alexandria, Louisiana, 4 (5) Jul 2015:
SPECI KAEX 050138Z 18004KT 3SM TSRA BR FEW022 BKN039 OVC070
23/22 A3004 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT ALQDS P0043 T02280222
METAR KAEX 050153Z AUTO 13004KT 4SM TSRA BR SCT034 BKN090
OVC110 23/22 A3003 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT ALQDS SLP173
P0046 T02280222
SPECI KAEX 050220Z 25011G16KT 2 1/2SM +TSRA BR FEW009 BKN055
OVC100 23/22 A3007 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT S-W TSE0155B01
PRESRR P0009 T02280222
ATC signed off for the 0153Z METAR, during a thunderstorm.
Lawton, Oklahoma, 3 Jul 2015:
SA 04/07/2015 06:53-> METAR KLAW 040653Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 23/20 A2994 RMK
AO2 SLP124 T02280200 TSNO=
SA 04/07/2015 05:53-> METAR KLAW 040553Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 23/19 A2994 RMK
AO2 SLP124 T02330194 10311 20233 403560233 50006
TSNO=
SA 04/07/2015 04:53-> METAR KLAW 040453Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 24/19 A2994 RMK
AO2 SLP125 T02390194 TSNO=
SA 04/07/2015 03:53-> METAR KLAW 040353Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 25/19 A2993 RMK
AO2 SLP120 T02500194 TSNO=
SA 04/07/2015 02:53-> METAR KLAW 040253Z AUTO 10005KT 10SM CLR 27/19 A2992 RMK
AO2 SLP118 T02670189 50010 TSNO
SA 04/07/2015 01:53-> METAR KLAW 040153Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 28/19 A2993 RMK
AO2 SLP121 T02780194 TSNO=
SA 04/07/2015 00:53-> METAR KLAW 040053Z AUTO 16005KT 10SM CLR 29/20 A2990 RMK
AO2 SLP111 T02890200 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 23:53-> METAR KLAW 032353Z AUTO 19011KT 10SM FEW055 BKN110 31/19
A2989 RMK AO2 WSHFT 2303 SLP107 T03060194 10356
20306 55005 TSNO=
SP 03/07/2015 23:23-> SPECI KLAW 032323Z 20011G21KT 10SM FEW049 BKN065 BKN100 32/20
A2988 RMK AO2 WSHFT 2303 T03220200=
SA 03/07/2015 22:53-> METAR KLAW 032253Z 11005KT 10SM CLR 35/18 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP103
T03500178=
SA 03/07/2015 21:53-> METAR KLAW 032153Z AUTO 04005KT 10SM FEW085 35/19 A2989 RMK
AO2 SLP105 T03500189 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 20:53-> METAR KLAW 032053Z AUTO 05007KT 10SM FEW045 36/21 A2991 RMK
AO2 SLP112 T03560206 56013 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 19:53-> METAR KLAW 031953Z AUTO 03007KT 10SM CLR 34/21 A2991 RMK
AO2 SLP113 T03440206 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 18:53-> METAR KLAW 031853Z AUTO 05005KT 10SM CLR 34/21 A2993 RMK
AO2 SLP121 T03440211 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 17:53-> METAR KLAW 031753Z AUTO VRB03KT 10SM SCT039 BKN050 33/21
A2994 RMK AO2 SLP125 T03280211 10344 20244 57002
TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 16:53-> METAR KLAW 031653Z AUTO VRB05KT 10SM BKN037 32/21 A2995 RMK
AO2 SLP126 T03170211 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 15:53-> METAR KLAW 031553Z AUTO 25009KT 10SM CLR 31/20 A2995 RMK
AO2 SLP127 T03060200 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 14:53-> METAR KLAW 031453Z AUTO 22007KT 10SM CLR 29/21 A2995 RMK
AO2 SLP128 T02890206 51007 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 13:53-> METAR KLAW 031353Z AUTO VRB03KT 10SM CLR 27/21 A2995 RMK
AO2 SLP127 T02720206 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 12:53-> METAR KLAW 031253Z AUTO 13005KT 10SM OVC065 26/21 A2994 RMK
AO2 SLP125 T02560206 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 11:53-> METAR KLAW 031153Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM BKN100 24/20 A2993 RMK
AO2 SLP121 T02440200 10261 20233 53015 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 10:53-> METAR KLAW 031053Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM BKN075 OVC090 25/19
A2991 RMK AO2 SLP115 T02500194 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 09:53-> METAR KLAW 030953Z AUTO 19007KT 10SM BKN070 OVC085 26/19
A2989 RMK AO2 SLP107 T02560194 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 08:53-> METAR KLAW 030853Z AUTO 19003KT 10SM BKN100 24/20 A2989 RMK
AO2 SLP106 T02390200 56006 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 07:53-> METAR KLAW 030753Z AUTO 19004KT 10SM OVC075 25/20 A2990 RMK
AO2 SLP108 T02500200 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 06:53-> METAR KLAW 030653Z AUTO 16005KT 10SM CLR 26/20 A2989 RMK
AO2 SLP106 T02560200 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 05:53-> METAR KLAW 030553Z AUTO 14004KT 10SM FEW110 26/21 A2991 RMK
AO2 SLP112 T02610206 10317 20261 403390239 50006
TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 04:53-> METAR KLAW 030453Z AUTO 17006KT 10SM BKN120 27/21 A2991 RMK
AO2 SLP115 T02670206 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 03:53-> METAR KLAW 030353Z AUTO 16005KT 10SM CLR 27/21 A2989 RMK
AO2 SLP109 T02720206 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 02:53-> METAR KLAW 030253Z AUTO 17007KT 10SM BKN110 28/21 A2989 RMK
AO2 SLP106 T02780211 51019 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 01:53-> METAR KLAW 030153Z AUTO 13004KT 10SM FEW120 28/21 A2988 RMK
AO2 SLP104 T02830206 TSNO=
SA 03/07/2015 00:53-> METAR KLAW 030053Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM SCT120 31/21 A2987 RMK
AO2 SLP102 T03060206 TSNO=
ATC was signed on for 2 observations that day. Surely the control tower wasn't open for just 2 hours! |
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Post by alstein on Jul 7, 2015 10:04:54 GMT -5
Now this is the stuff which needs to go out to officials. It shows proof that ATCs are deliberately shirking their duties at C sites, at busier B sites the odds of impact will be even greater.
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Post by zoomthundersnow on Jul 7, 2015 10:12:36 GMT -5
At our site, the OID in the tower cab is configured differently than the OID in the tower cab. ATC is not logged off after nine hours, the same initials have been on for months, ATC stays logged on until someone physically logs off the system. I seriously doubt that once a site goes to LAWRS, that the OID in the tower cab is reconfigured to log off users after nine hours. When the NWS requests everyone to log off of the ASOS, I have to instruct the cab each time how to log off of the ASOS.
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Post by coldlover on Jul 7, 2015 10:30:16 GMT -5
At our site, the OID in the tower cab is configured differently than the OID in the tower cab. ATC is not logged off after nine hours, the same initials have been on for months, ATC stays logged on until someone physically logs off the system. I seriously doubt that once a site goes to LAWRS, that the OID in the tower cab is reconfigured to log off users after nine hours. When the NWS requests everyone to log off of the ASOS, I have to instruct the cab each time how to log off of the ASOS. Exact same at our site. I believe "ATC" logged on will stay on until someone physically logs off-- as mentioned above. However, I think? if it's LAWRS ATC logged on it may be different in stations that have LAWRS for a long time. I agree with the above-- the OID in the tower cab will be reconfigured if said site goes LAWRS. |
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Post by zoomthundersnow on Jul 7, 2015 10:52:28 GMT -5
After thinking about it coldlover, the OID in the tower cab is already configured also, but is password dependent. Prior to our office being on the Tower's essential power generator, we had to relocate to the cab during a blizzard and work there. The cab's OID accepted the CWO password, and the nine hour rule applied. It is all dependent upon what password is entered into the OID, and the level of control the user has for each password, and how long the user remains logged on.
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Post by tornado on Jul 8, 2015 12:29:14 GMT -5
Gainesville, Florida:
SPECI KGNV 072118Z 25010KT 10SM TS SCT055 SCT070 BKN080 28/22
A3011 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E TSB12 T02780222
SPECI KGNV 072134Z AUTO 09010KT VCTS RA 26/22 A3012 RMK AO2
LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB32 TSB12E28 P0000 T02610222 $
SPECI KGNV 072141Z AUTO 08013G20KT 2 1/2SM +TSRA BR 24/22
A3013 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB32 TSB12E28B37
P0001 T02440222 $
METAR KGNV 072153Z 10009KT 6SM -TSRA BR 24/23 A3014 RMK AO2
LTG DSNT ALQDS RAB32 TSB12E28B37 SLP202 P0005
T02390228 $
LAWRS site signs off ASOS during a thunderstorm.
Leesburg, Florida:
SPECI KLEE 071920Z 15005KT 10SM TS CLR 32/21 A3013 RMK AO2
LTG DSNT SE-SW TSB14 T03220206
SPECI KLEE 071935Z 12015G22KT 10SM VCTS FEW075 29/21 A3013
RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND S AND SW TSB14E29 T02890211
METAR KLEE 071953Z AUTO 17015G21KT 10SM TS FEW044 FEW075
28/22 A3013 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT ALQDS TSB14E29B47
SLP202 T02780217
SPECI KLEE 071958Z AUTO 20012G19KT 2SM TS HZ FEW037 SCT075
27/21 A3015 RMK AO2 WSHFT 1944 LTG DSNT ALQDS
PRESRR T02720211
SPECI KLEE 072005Z AUTO 24012G24KT 1 1/4SM TS HZ SCT036 BKN044
BKN075 27/21 A3016 RMK AO2 WSHFT 1951 VIS 1/4V5
LTG DSNT ALQDS PRESRR T02670211
SPECI KLEE 072016Z AUTO 28008KT 10SM TS SCT036 SCT080 BKN090
26/21 A3015 RMK AO2 WSHFT 1951 LTG DSNT ALQDS
T02560211
SPECI KLEE 072051Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM FEW055 BKN090 BKN110
25/22 A3016 RMK AO2 WSHFT 1951 LTG DSNT ALQDS
RAB26E48 TSE45 P0001
METAR KLEE 072053Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM FEW060 SCT090 BKN110
25/22 A3016 RMK AO2 WSHFT 1951 LTG DSNT ALQDS
RAB26E48 TSE45 SLP212 P0001 60001 T02500222 53006
METAR KLEE 072153Z 20009KT 10SM -RA BKN110 25/22 A3017 RMK
AO2 LTG DSNT SW RAB16 SLP214 P0002 T02500217
This LAWRS site signed off ASOS by 1953Z, signed on again by 2153Z. In the meantime there was a
thunderstorm which dropped the airfield to IFR conditions.
Panama City, Florida:
METAR KECP 081853Z 23008KT 10SM TSRA BKN050 OVC065 31/23
A3011 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT E-S RAB50 TSB35 SLP206
P0000 T03110233
SPECI KECP 081929Z 13022G30KT 1 3/4SM TSRA FEW016 BKN041
OVC048 26/23 A3015 RMK AO2 PK WND 12030/1928 WSHFT
1914 LTG DSNT NW-E PRESRR P0000 T02610228
SPECI KECP 081932Z AUTO 14020G30KT 3/4SM TSRA BR SCT014 BKN028
OVC044 25/23 A3017 RMK AO2 PK WND 12030/1928 WSHFT
1914 LTG DSNT NW-E PRESRR P0001 T02500233
METAR KECP 081953Z 20013KT 1/2SM VCTS +RA FG BKN009 OVC016
23/23 A3017 RMK AO2 PK WND 12030/1928 WSHFT 1914
LTG DSNT ALQDS TSE52 SLP228 P0008 T02330228
For 21 minutes, that was level D service, while the airfield was low IFR due to a thunderstorm.
Hickory, North Carolina:
METAR KHKY 081853Z 30006KT 10SM CLR 33/17 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP168
T03330172
METAR KHKY 081953Z AUTO 21008KT 10SM FEW065 SCT100 32/17
A3009 RMK AO2 SLP166 T03220172
SPECI KHKY 082013Z AUTO 20012G19KT 10SM VCTS FEW070 32/18
A3010 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW T03170178
Why did this site sign off ASOS? Could it be the LTG/VCTS?
Meacham Field, Ft. Worth, Texas, 8 Jul 2015:
Compare last Wednesday's observations:
SA 01/07/2015 20:53-> METAR KFTW 012053Z 20010G21KT 10SM SCT055 34/20 A2995 RMK
AO2 SLP132 T03440200 58016=
SA 01/07/2015 19:53-> METAR KFTW 011953Z 19010G19KT 10SM FEW050 33/21 A2997 RMK
AO2 SLP139 T03330211=
SA 01/07/2015 18:53-> METAR KFTW 011853Z 21014G20KT 10SM FEW039 33/22 A2999 RMK
AO2 SLP145 T03280222=
SA 01/07/2015 17:53-> METAR KFTW 011753Z 20009KT 10SM FEW033 32/22 A3000 RMK AO2
SLP149 T03170222 10317 20233 58003=
SA 01/07/2015 16:53-> METAR KFTW 011653Z 23009KT 10SM CLR 30/22 A3002 RMK AO2 SLP154
T03000217=
SA 01/07/2015 15:53-> METAR KFTW 011553Z 21012KT 10SM CLR 29/21 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP151
T02890211=
SA 01/07/2015 14:53-> METAR KFTW 011453Z 24011KT 10SM CLR 28/21 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP153
T02780211 52006=
SA 01/07/2015 13:53-> METAR KFTW 011353Z 21012KT 10SM CLR 26/21 A3000 RMK AO2 SLP151
T02610206=
SA 01/07/2015 12:53-> METAR KFTW 011253Z 20007KT 10SM CLR 24/21 A3000 RMK AO2 SLP148
T02440211=
SA 01/07/2015 11:53-> METAR KFTW 011153Z 20009KT 10SM CLR 23/21 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP146
T02330211 10261 20233 51003
Or even Wednesday, June 24th's observations:
SA 24/06/2015 20:53-> METAR KFTW 242053Z 17010KT 10SM CLR 34/18 A3010 RMK AO2 SLP181
T03440183 57012=
SA 24/06/2015 19:53-> METAR KFTW 241953Z 18007KT 10SM CLR 34/19 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP185
T03390189=
SA 24/06/2015 18:53-> METAR KFTW 241853Z 20007KT 10SM CLR 34/19 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP190
T03390194=
SA 24/06/2015 17:53-> METAR KFTW 241753Z 16007KT 10SM CLR 33/19 A3013 RMK AO2 SLP193
T03280189 10333 20250 58007=
SA 24/06/2015 16:53-> METAR KFTW 241653Z 20007KT 170V240 10SM CLR 32/21 A3015 RMK
AO2 SLP197 T03220211=
SA 24/06/2015 15:53-> METAR KFTW 241553Z 21008KT 170V240 10SM CLR 31/21 A3015 RMK
AO2 SLP200 T03110206=
SA 24/06/2015 14:53-> METAR KFTW 241453Z 19006KT 10SM CLR 29/23 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP201
T02940228 50000=
SA 24/06/2015 13:53-> METAR KFTW 241353Z 24006KT 10SM CLR 28/23 A3016 RMK AO2 SLP203
T02830228=
SA 24/06/2015 12:53-> METAR KFTW 241253Z 22003KT 10SM CLR 26/23 A3016 RMK AO2 SLP204
T02610228=
SA 24/06/2015 11:53-> METAR KFTW 241153Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 25/23 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP201
T02500228 10283 20244 53010
Compare to today, Wednesday July 8th, observations coming out of KFTW:
SA 08/07/2015 19:53-> METAR KFTW 081953Z AUTO 23009KT 10SM FEW040 FEW090 25/23
A2998 RMK AO2 RAE34 SLP143 P0000 T02500228=
SA 08/07/2015 18:53-> METAR KFTW 081853Z AUTO 21008KT 10SM -RA FEW065 SCT090 BKN110
24/22 A2999 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT E SLP145 P0003 T02440222=
SP 08/07/2015 18:30-> SPECI KFTW 081830Z AUTO 22010KT 10SM -RA SCT050 BKN070 OVC110
24/22 A3000 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E P0002 T02440222=
SP 08/07/2015 18:09-> SPECI KFTW 081809Z AUTO 20009KT 9SM VCTS -RA FEW009 BKN090
OVC110 24/23 A3000 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E P0002
T02440228=
SA 08/07/2015 17:53-> METAR KFTW 081753Z AUTO 22009G15KT 10SM -RA SCT015 BKN045
OVC110 24/23 A2999 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E TSB1656E14B17E32
SLP146 P0047 60094 T02440228 10289 20233 53001=
SP 08/07/2015 17:32-> SPECI KFTW 081732Z AUTO 22009KT 4SM +RA BR FEW018 BKN026
OVC050 24/23 A3000 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE TSB1656E14B17E32
P0045 T02390228=
SP 08/07/2015 17:28-> SPECI KFTW 081728Z AUTO 24007KT 2SM R16/3000VP6000FT -TSRA
BR FEW020 BKN028 OVC055 23/22 A2999 RMK AO2 LTG
DSNT NE AND SW TSB1656E14B17 P0043 T02330222=
SP 08/07/2015 17:17-> SPECI KFTW 081717Z AUTO 21009KT 1/2SM R16/2200VP6000FT +TSRA
FG BKN028 OVC055 24/23 A3000 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT
NE AND SW TSB1656E14B17 P0037 T02390228=
SP 08/07/2015 17:14-> SPECI KFTW 081714Z AUTO 19012KT 1SM R16/3000VP6000FT VCTS
+RA BR BKN030 OVC055 24/23 A3000 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT
NE TSB1656E14 P0022 T02390228=
SP 08/07/2015 17:08-> SPECI KFTW 081708Z AUTO 21010KT 2 1/2SM R16/5000VP6000FT
TSRA BR FEW008 BKN036 OVC055 24/22 A2999 RMK AO2
LTG DSNT NE TSB1656 P0008 T02390222=
SP 08/07/2015 16:57-> SPECI KFTW 081657Z AUTO 23011KT 1SM R16/3000VP6000FT +TSRA
BR FEW012 SCT023 OVC030 24/22 A2999 RMK AO2 LTG
DSNT NE TSB56 P0003 T02390222=
SA 08/07/2015 16:53-> METAR KFTW 081653Z AUTO 23008KT 1/2SM R16/2800VP6000FT +RA
FG FEW006 FEW016 OVC023 24/22 A2998 RMK AO2 WSHFT
1613 LTG DSNT N AND NE RAB16 SLP144 P0047 T02390222=
SP 08/07/2015 16:51-> SPECI KFTW 081651Z AUTO 22010G21KT 1/2SM R16/2800V5500FT
+RA FG FEW006 OVC021 24/22 A2999 RMK AO2 WSHFT
1613 LTG DSNT N AND NE RAB16 P0046=
SP 08/07/2015 16:27-> SPECI KFTW 081627Z AUTO 27012G22KT 1 3/4SM R16/4000VP6000FT
RA BR FEW009 BKN023 OVC043 25/23 A2998 RMK AO2
WSHFT 1613 RAB16 P0006 T02500233=
SP 08/07/2015 16:22-> SPECI KFTW 081622Z AUTO 25015G25KT 2SM R16/4000VP6000FT +RA
FEW009 BKN023 OVC043 26/23 A2998 RMK AO2 RAB16
P0005 T02610233=
SA 08/07/2015 15:53-> METAR KFTW 081553Z AUTO 19010G18KT 8SM BKN023 BKN030 OVC035
28/23 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP136 T02780228=
SP 08/07/2015 15:51-> SPECI KFTW 081551Z AUTO 21011G18KT 8SM BKN023 BKN030 OVC035
28/23 A2996 RMK AO2=
SP 08/07/2015 15:30-> SPECI KFTW 081530Z AUTO 20009KT 8SM FEW023 OVC034 28/23 A2997
RMK AO2 T02780228=
SP 08/07/2015 15:22-> SPECI KFTW 081522Z AUTO 19010KT 7SM SCT020 BKN025 OVC033
27/23 A2997 RMK AO2 T02720228=
SA 08/07/2015 14:53-> METAR KFTW 081453Z AUTO 18013KT 8SM FEW021 SCT039 BKN046
27/23 A2997 RMK AO2 SLP139 T02720228 50005=
SP 08/07/2015 14:07-> SPECI KFTW 081407Z AUTO 19015G24KT 8SM SCT020 BKN033 OVC055
27/23 A2998 RMK AO2 T02720228=
SA 08/07/2015 13:53-> METAR KFTW 081353Z AUTO 19016G22KT 8SM BKN019 BKN033 BKN050
27/23 A2997 RMK AO2 SLP140 T02720228=
SA 08/07/2015 12:53-> METAR KFTW 081253Z 19010G19KT 8SM SCT019 BKN029 OVC050 27/23
A2996 RMK AO2 SLP134 T02670228
Now, why would this site be in AUTO mode today; when on the past 2 Wednesdays, they were not? What is different about today? Bad weather! 
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Post by tornado on Jul 9, 2015 12:09:49 GMT -5
Wilkes Barre-Scranton International Airport, Pennsylvania, 7 Jul 2015:
Every single report out of Scranton (KAVP) on Tue 7 Jul was in AUTO mode.
www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KAVP/2015/7/7/DailyHistory.html?req_city=KAVP&req_state=PA&req_statename=Pennsylvania&reqdb.zip=18507&reqdb.magic=5&reqdb.wmo=99999
Why would that be, on a Tuesday? Here is a sample of the reports, every 3 hours:
METAR KAVP 070554Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM FEW019 BKN028 BKN034 24/19 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP162 T02390194 10256 20239 56009
METAR KAVP 070854Z AUTO 21004KT 1 1/4SM R04/5000VP6000FT +RA BR BKN018 OVC025 23/21 A3003 RMK AO2 RAB30 SLP157 P0014 60014 T02280206 56005 TSNO
METAR KAVP 071154Z AUTO 00000KT 9SM FEW044 BKN055 24/22 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP163 60030 70030 T02440222 10244 20222 53004
METAR KAVP 071454Z AUTO 24008KT 10SM FEW019 SCT036 OVC060 26/21 A3003 RMK AO2 SLP158 T02610206 58005
METAR KAVP 071754Z AUTO 23011KT 9SM FEW028 BKN035 BKN120 28/21 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP146 T02780206 10283 20239 58012
METAR KAVP 072054Z AUTO 21010G17KT 8SM BKN110 29/18 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP134 T02890178 56011
METAR KAVP 072354Z AUTO 20004KT 6SM HZ CLR 27/19 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP134 T02720189 10294 20272 55000
METAR KAVP 080254Z AUTO 23005KT 7SM BKN100 26/19 A2998 RMK AO2 SLP142 T02560189 51007
Besides what appeared to be a heavy rain shower at 0854Z; there was at least one other convective cell that passed over KAVP, between
1800Z-1900Z:
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