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twr vis
Jan 28, 2018 10:44:46 GMT -5
Post by hlsto2 on Jan 28, 2018 10:44:46 GMT -5
another reason that tower vis is useless. CWO ATL does an excellent job of showing in remarks why the twr and sfc vis are so different. TWRINC...tower in clouds.
last I checked...planes landed on the SFC...NOT at the tower cab level. even the RVR was above 1 mile. I remember way back in manual obs times...if the sfc was twice or more the twr vis...twr vis went in remarks. in this case 2 would be the prevailing and 1/4 would go in remarks.
KATL 281452Z 05006KT 1/4SM R09R/P6000FT RA BR OVC004 12/12 A3023 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 SLP235 TWRINC P0016 60022 T01220122 50004
KATL 281431Z 07005KT 1/4SM R09R/P6000FT RA BR BKN004 OVC008 12/12 A3023 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 TWRINC P0010 T01220122
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twr vis
Jan 28, 2018 14:27:44 GMT -5
Post by skobie on Jan 28, 2018 14:27:44 GMT -5
Very good point hlsto2.....I forgot all about that and I'm not sure why it changed unless that's just the way it is supposed to be with METAR vs. the old SAO code.
skobie
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twr vis
Jan 28, 2018 18:38:08 GMT -5
Post by hlsto2 on Jan 28, 2018 18:38:08 GMT -5
my guess is it probably changed to give the tower total control over the vis.
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twr vis
Jan 29, 2018 11:15:29 GMT -5
Post by skobie on Jan 29, 2018 11:15:29 GMT -5
Which we all know has turned out to be a really BAAAAAAD idea.....especially when most on the other side don't even know what the definition of "prevailing visibility" is, let alone how to find it!
skobie
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twr vis
Jan 29, 2018 11:54:38 GMT -5
Post by hlsto2 on Jan 29, 2018 11:54:38 GMT -5
when I was at COS in the late 90's...the tower thought sector vis was prevailing vis. these folks are in way over their head
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twr vis
Jan 30, 2018 1:49:41 GMT -5
Post by alwayswx on Jan 30, 2018 1:49:41 GMT -5
Does anyone know how far the tower is from the CWO? Could it be that the vis is different on different areas of the airport.
Histo,. When did the tower start to think? Or did one controller not understand?
Planes do land at the surface after descending through the bad vis 100 feet above the surface. Controllers are in way over their head, are you kidding me? Controllers are doing 8 different things, not just ONE.
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twr vis
Jan 30, 2018 9:06:32 GMT -5
Post by tornado on Jan 30, 2018 9:06:32 GMT -5
.....especially when most on the other side don't even know what the definition of "prevailing visibility" is, let alone how to find it! skobie We have a new controller at my site. I overheard a supervisor training him, saying, "Prevailing visibility is the greatest distance you can see." He left out the part of it being at least half the horizon circle. |
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twr vis
Jan 30, 2018 11:16:12 GMT -5
Post by skobie on Jan 30, 2018 11:16:12 GMT -5
I think that many of them just find the lowest sector vis and put that in to the ASOS from what I can tell. Not picking on them (well, maybe just a little). They weren't trained properly to begin with (NWS!), don't have anyone to retrain them properly (especially the "new" people), don't get it or want to get it and probably because they've got more pertinent things to attend to.....like their actual job! We all know to let ATC do their job (and I would NEVER try to tell them how), but when it comes to meteorology, suddenly everyone's an expert. Good grief FAA!
skobie
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twr vis
Jan 30, 2018 13:10:43 GMT -5
Post by hlsto2 on Jan 30, 2018 13:10:43 GMT -5
Does anyone know how far the tower is from the CWO? Could it be that the vis is different on different areas of the airport. Histo,. When did the tower start to think? Or did one controller not understand? Planes do land at the surface after descending through the bad vis 100 feet above the surface. Controllers are in way over their head, are you kidding me? Controllers are doing 8 different things, not just ONE. exactly why controllers should NOT be doing ASOS. even if they had sufficient training and experience...which they don't...they would not have time to handle ASOS in bad weather. |
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