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Post by weatheri on Apr 9, 2013 8:43:24 GMT -5
Greetings,
What is the union's procedure for a site going from FT to PT?
Just hypothetical - going from 24 to 19 hours a day.
Previous 3 FT, 4 PT (7 total)
New 2 FT, 4 PT (6 total)
By definition in the wage determination and CBA, FT is 40 hours.
Each PT must work at least one 8 hour shift (new FAA requirement)
Nobody can work more than a 10 hr shift.
No ADMIN shift (if there is one it would go to the former FT)
The best I can come up with:
SUP 40
FT 40
Former FT going to PT 27
PT2 9
PT3 9
PT4 8
Last hired PT released.
Thoughts?
My first thought is that this sucks!
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Post by luvsnow on Apr 9, 2013 14:47:59 GMT -5
I hate to say it but a part-time site with a full-time supervisor is a pretty rare thing these days. Most contractors employ the supervisor at the bare minumum hours required in the contract.
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Post by alstein on Apr 9, 2013 15:34:11 GMT -5
HOw many workers do PT sites usually have? Guessing you'd go with 4. 5/3/3/3 or 4/4/4/2 or 4/4/3/3
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Post by chachiman on Apr 9, 2013 17:21:50 GMT -5
My station operates 18.25 hours per day now. I open it at 5:45AM and we close at midnight now. And this is how I run the shifts.
Mon-Fri (2 shifts) 5:45AM-3PM (9.25 hours) and 3PM-midnight (9 hours)
Sat-Sun (3 shifts) 5:45AM-12PM (6.25 hours), 12PM-6PM (6 hours), and 6PM-midnight (6 hours)
I am the supervisor and I work from 5:45AM-3PM Mon-Thur and the other Full-timer works 3PM-midnight Mon-Thur so we get 37 and 36 hours respectively a week now.
I have 4 part-timers that work Friday-Sun and I spread their hours out according to what they can work.
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Post by weatheri on Apr 9, 2013 17:39:01 GMT -5
Interesting. I would dance on air if I could cut back to 36 and distribute the hours. However, the FAA SOW states that all PT sites must have a minimum of 2 FT. The CBA and the WD state that FT = 40 hours.
How did you get around that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 17:55:24 GMT -5
SWO M-Th 5:45-14 F 5:45-13 40 hrs
FT#2 M-Th 14-24 40 hrs
PT'ers split the rest
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Post by luvsnow on Apr 9, 2013 18:01:39 GMT -5
I saved everything from the new contract that was posted on faaco.gov. If my memory serves me correctly the full time issue was clarified in a vendor Q&A release. It said something in effect: Does a supervisor working the minimum hours requires by the SOW qualify as a "full-time" employee? The FAA answer was Yes. Once again, without going back into my files on my home PC. I believe that it was 24 hour sites = full time supervisor. 11-19 hours = 24 hour a week supervisor and Less than 11 hours = 16 hour a week supervisor.
I think this is a stupid requirement because as a rule the best observer at the station is the one to get his/her hours "rationed" Doesn't make much sense when you think about the pay difference for thos 16 or 32 hours a week in the big picture.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 18:20:59 GMT -5
The SOW for the new contracts did have something like that if I remember correctly. It also required all employees to work one shift a week because they were concerned about our proficiency. Do they have the same requirement for controllers at the sites that are switching over to LAWRS that they had for the people that actually know how to do the job?
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Post by chachiman on Apr 9, 2013 18:50:41 GMT -5
Our CBA and DOL states anything over 36 hours can be considered FT lol.
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Post by chachiman on Apr 9, 2013 18:52:13 GMT -5
We are required to only work 24 hours a week as supervisor by the FAA too lol. We must work those hours between 8AM-4PM too. I satisfy the FAA requirements by working 28 hours a week as supervisor.
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Post by weatheri on Apr 9, 2013 19:30:25 GMT -5
OK, I'm not trying to be an idiot here but how can a contractor and/or FAA set what is considered full time when it is stated in the Wage Determination or CBA?
If you are considered full time, then I guess nothing is pro rated as that is only for PT employees. Again, just confused about all these issues. Hope it does not come to pass but trying to be proactive and understand the process.
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Post by weatheri on Apr 10, 2013 6:12:35 GMT -5
After researching this further, In the CWO Market Survey Questions and Answer, the FAA did not provide a Gov't Response. The response was that the offeror will be given the opportunity to define full time employee in its proposal. This information is provided: www.dol.gov/dol/topic/workhours/full-time.htmInteresting. Regards and thanks, weatheri |
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Post by weatheri on Apr 10, 2013 8:31:34 GMT -5
More research indicates that a PT employee must work a minimum of 8 hours per week. It is in the SOW, PART I - The Schedule, paragraph 4.1, second section.
So much for breaking down the day, at a part time site, into 3 shifts unless the PT is going to work at least two of them.
Strange how we have to work 8 hours a week to maintain proficiency yet a LAWRS observer only has to log into the ASOS for one METAR or take one practice manual observation every two months.
Rules are rules I guess.
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