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Post by TCU 2U2 on Jul 14, 2015 9:17:46 GMT -5
A recent FOI response confirms that National Weather Service is responsible for the monitoring of ATC observations ...
Vice President / Air Traffic Services, said in part through a FOI request ... "National Weather Service is responsible for monitoring LAWRS."
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Post by hlsto2 on Jul 14, 2015 9:30:05 GMT -5
what was the date of this statement? and...if they do this...do they call the lawrs in question to transmit corrections as needed? bet not
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Post by TCU 2U2 on Jul 14, 2015 9:32:45 GMT -5
what was the date of this statement? and...if they do this...do they call the lawrs in question to transmit corrections as needed? bet not July 9, 2015 |
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Post by alstein on Jul 14, 2015 12:45:15 GMT -5
That may not mean much, you can monitor all you want, but if you can't do anything about it, they don't have to listen to you.
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Post by TCU 2U2 on Jul 14, 2015 16:17:52 GMT -5
That may not mean much, you can monitor all you want, but if you can't do anything about it, they don't have to listen to you. Exactly. |
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Post by hlsto2 on Jul 14, 2015 19:41:30 GMT -5
when I was in NWS, we would inspect lawrs yearly. no real time QC. But, if they got an unsatisfactory, they would get a grace period to clean up their act. used to be able to pull certificates. obviously, the only people that to qc are a few on here.
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Post by alstein on Jul 14, 2015 19:52:47 GMT -5
So, maybe the best way to save our jobs is to try and get the NWS to start threatening to pull certs for towers that are deliberately avoiding doing their jobs?
Doubt this will fly, but might be an avenue to help.
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Post by skobie on Jul 14, 2015 21:30:20 GMT -5
Since the NWS doesn't certify people anymore, how can they pull certifications. The FAA is the judge, jury, and executioner on vacation and turning a blind eye on poor LAWRS performance.
skobie
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Post by coldairfunnel on Jul 15, 2015 0:06:44 GMT -5
Excuse me, but I thought the NWS washed their hands with the weather observing program. If they kept the QC part of it it is probably because there is no one in the FAA with enough knowledge to administer the program. Even if the NWS identifies problems that need to be corrected they are not going to say anything to the FAA to shake the boat. They might as well just throw all the rules out the window and let them report, or not report, any way they want.
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Post by toofarnorth on Jul 15, 2015 15:38:38 GMT -5
Isn't that what LAWRS is doing anyway?
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Post by hlsto2 on Jul 15, 2015 15:39:15 GMT -5
it's obvious...on any level, by NWS or FAA, except here, that there is no QC. I miss the old days in the NWS when I would get to administer the written exams to controllers, airport personnel, etc. One day a group of about 12 came for the exam. most of controllers had a cocky attitude about it. after the exam, many left with a sick look on their face, they knew they had failed, and had to wait several weeks to re-test. When I was at the CWO in COS, we sent 2 observers from Ft Carson to NWS PUB to take the test. I had loaned my two personal training guides for them to study. both scored below 50. they didn't retest and it was all I could do to get my training material back!
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Post by coldairfunnel on Jul 15, 2015 23:28:32 GMT -5
Isn't that what LAWRS is doing anyway? Yep, and that is the way it will always be. That's why I said they should just throw out the rules. They will never follow them anyway either because they don't know the rules or they just don"'t give a damn. They will always, always have an out...."priority of duties"...... |
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Post by tornado on Dec 17, 2015 12:09:59 GMT -5
I just stumbled across a document, which indicates some NWS oversight of observations: www.nws.noaa.gov/directives/sym/pd01013005curr.pdfYet, when I searched for the term LAWRS, it was not found.  The key paragraph seems to be this one: However, earlier in the document, it seemed that performing real-time QC is optional: Also, I don't think what is described below, is actually happening; at least not on a consistent basis: |
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