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Post by zoomthundersnow on May 25, 2016 22:37:01 GMT -5
Our CBA was negotiated by Jerry Tuso, he had our phone number, I thanked him for everything he did for us when he retired. Our CBA isn't up for negotiation at this time, I'll reserve any further comments until I see the results of PATCO negotiations with the Contractors concerning new wage rates for the sites whose CBA's are expiring.
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Post by TCU 2U2 on May 26, 2016 6:03:24 GMT -5
contractors are trying to diminish our wages; Does Sam know that 6 of the vendors have put in well over $100,000 of their own money in the past year to keep their lobby efforts going, which has recently resulted in CWO language within pending legislation?
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Post by rich on May 26, 2016 7:30:51 GMT -5
Mark is a relation - his Dad? He was nominated by someone. Yeah Mark is his father. I spoke with a few people at some other sites represented by PATCO and no one can recall voting for Sam for anything. This letter that Jerry sent out early last year says that Sam got his job ' Dues to a realignment of duties', nothing mentioned about being elected. Attachments:patco letter.pdf (104.92 KB)
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Post by toofarnorth on May 26, 2016 14:36:43 GMT -5
I still have that letter on my union bulletin board... At some point an election has happened or needs to take place. Try calling Sam.
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Post by toofarnorth on Jun 1, 2016 15:39:20 GMT -5
Suddenly, this thread is VERY quiet. After a month of anti-PATCO blather, 5 days of no posts? Union negotiations with contractors must be concluded, the bellyaching has stopped, no?
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Post by rich on Jun 1, 2016 15:54:09 GMT -5
Suddenly, this thread is VERY quiet. After a month of anti-PATCO blather, 5 days of no posts? Union negotiations with contractors must be concluded, the bellyaching has stopped, no? It was a holiday weekend. Have they spent a dime on a lobbyist yet or are they still trying to get by with the "We're all lobbyists" BS?
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Post by coldairfunnel on Jun 1, 2016 23:58:46 GMT -5
Well, toofarnorth, you got my dander up again. Thank you. Here is my take on PATCO. For them to remain silent on our issues for as long as they have is totally inexcusable. If they don't want to spend the time or money on a newsletter then the cheapest way to communicate would be thru this forum and we all know they read the forum posts. Or, they should already have the e-mail addresses of all the individual field reps so why not e-mail them and tell them what is going on. This should be done on a regular basis. Even if nothing is going on then just say it..."nothing to report this week folks". At least that would be communicating. But to tell just one member in a telephone call that "some good things are happening and some not so good things are happening" is just plain idiotic. That just says one thing to me and that is they are not doing jacksh*t. They probably sit around playing pinochle all day.
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Post by ralph on Jun 2, 2016 3:14:26 GMT -5
Well, toofarnorth, you got my dander up again. Thank you. Here is my take on PATCO. For them to remain silent on our issues for as long as they have is totally inexcusable. If they don't want to spend the time or money on a newsletter then the cheapest way to communicate would be thru this forum and we all know they read the forum posts. Or, they should already have the e-mail addresses of all the individual field reps so why not e-mail them and tell them what is going on. This should be done on a regular basis. Even if nothing is going on then just say it..."nothing to report this week folks". At least that would be communicating. But to tell just one member in a telephone call that "some good things are happening and some not so good things are happening" is just plain idiotic. That just says one thing to me and that is they are not doing jacksh*t. They probably sit around playing pinochle all day. Even a small news letter now and then would make everyone feel better, Even if its not always good news, Just communication with union members, Communication is a great thing. It all pays the same I guess, Anyone not pulln there weight is pushing there luck......... Have another Pepsi.
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Post by tornado on Jun 2, 2016 8:36:04 GMT -5
In the old days, the CBA would always get better. We never had to give up anything, to gain anything. That ended about 5 years ago. Let's see what happens with this round of CBA negotiations.
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Post by shallowfg on Jun 2, 2016 12:13:13 GMT -5
Are CBA negotiations underway? Odd, PATCO hasn't contacted us to ask what we want in the new CBA. Actually they never talk to us before negotiating for us.
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Post by toofarnorth on Jun 2, 2016 14:47:44 GMT -5
No disrespect folks, but don't expect them to do everything for you - not lobbying (though not spending megabucks on pro-lobbying firms is smart business when you can do it yourself), nor taking the initiative to read your minds for what you want in a CBA. Do you know what you want? Tell Sam - you contact him, at least 6 months before the end of your CBA, period. Back in the day when CBAs always improved it happened that way because the FAA didn't challenge the assertions of the contractors that this was the best they could do negotiating with the union - their budget was increased annually and they counted on our getting more as part of their budget calcs. Those days are long gone - and they will use our continual bellyaching for more as further excuse to want to close us. Lameness hurts everyone - get involved, PLEASE. Those of us who are involved have my thanks. Holiday weekend? 5 days off? Come on, I work Mondays... and holidays when they fall on my shift schedule. And I would like to see a newsletter! Am I really the only one who is willing to take 20 minutes to call Sam? Looks like I'm the only one reporting on it.
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Post by rich on Jun 3, 2016 3:46:08 GMT -5
No disrespect folks, but don't expect them to do everything for you - not lobbying (though not spending megabucks on pro-lobbying firms is smart business when you can do it yourself), nor taking the initiative to read your minds for what you want in a CBA. Do you know what you want? Tell Sam - you contact him, at least 6 months before the end of your CBA, period. Back in the day when CBAs always improved it happened that way because the FAA didn't challenge the assertions of the contractors that this was the best they could do negotiating with the union - their budget was increased annually and they counted on our getting more as part of their budget calcs. Those days are long gone - and they will use our continual bellyaching for more as further excuse to want to close us. Lameness hurts everyone - get involved, PLEASE. Those of us who are involved have my thanks. Holiday weekend? 5 days off? Come on, I work Mondays... and holidays when they fall on my shift schedule. And I would like to see a newsletter! Am I really the only one who is willing to take 20 minutes to call Sam? Looks like I'm the only one reporting on it. TFN no disrespect but are you now on PATCO's payroll? 1. The lobbying PATCO has supposedly done themselves has accomplished nothing. A few weeks ago you said Sam had a "delegation" of south Florida congressmen and senators. Sen. Rubio (the only Senator from south Florida) was one of the few no votes on a bill that had language supportive of the CWO program. You said Mark, Dennis and Jerry were doing "some stuff". What does that even mean? Until we're told what that stuff is we'll just assume it is not much of anything because if it was something I'm sure they'd let us know about it. 2. Nobody is continually "bellyaching for more". They just don't want to be surprised by Sam signing off on a "pay freeze recommended by PATCO's lobbyist" again which is what he told some of the stations last year when he failed to negotiate with the contractors who had to submit adjustments because he though that Jerry had done so before he retired. How is a pay freeze supposed to be successful when 85% of the stations get a raise and 15% don't? It wasn't as the FAA went right ahead with the closure plan and ran all 57 local SRMP's. 3. I mentioned that it was a holiday weekend because I was assuming that PATCO was closed on Monday. Was I wrong? You said a few weeks ago that Sam didn't get back to you because he had to prepare for Mother's Day. If he shuts down a few days for Mothers Day I figured he probably does so for at least as long for all holidays. 4. No you aren't the only one willing to take 20 minutes to call Sam. Many have called and emailed him and never gotten a response back. He seems to be confused on who works for who. Reporting on your conversations with Sam is appreciated, but again no disrespect, until we see something directly from PATCO it's just second hand information and most of what he has told you PATCO has done has been shown to be BS. Keep 'em coming though because they are always good for a laugh, no disrespect intended. LOL
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Post by toofarnorth on Jun 6, 2016 18:47:21 GMT -5
Lobbying has accomplished "nothing" - every bit helps. Details I don't currently know. I had a great conversation with Mark Neimeiser this morning - I will be posting more info as I learn it. Like so many who don't understand how the American voting system elects representatives, so it is with layers of union representation - while you're spending so much time trying to tear down PATCO, try checking who the FPD, AFSCME, and AFL-CIO "lobbyists" are - all of which have weighed in on our behalf. I am really tired of responding to contractor-sponsored, or contractor themselves - Rich - engaging in counter-productive smoke blowing. As I reported earlier in this thread, I am NOT on PATCO's payroll - nor do I seek adversarial relationships with any contractor or fellow weather observer. Ad hominem arguments are foolish in our cause. The most bellyaching I'm hearing is from contractors who are in negotiations with the union. I don't know/haven't heard anything about a union-approved "pay freeze", except as a scare tactic from unsavory contractors. Everyone is entitled to an occasional vacation, even around a holiday - Sam answers his cell or returns messages left - maybe he doesn't like you or has had bad experiences with you. PATCO has NEVER failed to answer or return my voice mail. Those who think Sam is confused about his role are either contractors or blowing smoke for whatever nefarious reason. At this point Rich - contractor - I'm taking your posts personally. You've gone beyond disrespecting the union to disrespecting me personally. I have no use for a**holes - time for you to show me and everyone else that you are not described by that expletive and are worth listening to. I'm trying to keep the community of weather observers together - you are not helping. Mark promised to include me in their email postings of union news - I will, with their permission, post as I learn things of significance to the group (without revealing negotiations...). Mark and Sam are both aware that they need to do more to communicate.
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Post by rich on Jun 6, 2016 19:16:37 GMT -5
Lobbying has accomplished "nothing" - every bit helps. Details I don't currently know. I had a great conversation with Mark Neimeiser this morning - I will be posting more info as I learn it. Like so many who don't understand how the American voting system elects representatives, so it is with layers of union representation - while you're spending so much time trying to tear down PATCO, try checking who the FPD, AFSCME, and AFL-CIO "lobbyists" are - all of which have weighed in on our behalf. I am really tired of responding to contractor-sponsored, or contractor themselves - Rich - engaging in counter-productive smoke blowing. As I reported earlier in this thread, I am NOT on PATCO's payroll - nor do I seek adversarial relationships with any contractor or fellow weather observer. Ad hominem arguments are foolish in our cause. The most bellyaching I'm hearing is from contractors who are in negotiations with the union. I don't know/haven't heard anything about a union-approved "pay freeze", except as a scare tactic from unsavory contractors. Everyone is entitled to an occasional vacation, even around a holiday - Sam answers his cell or returns messages left - maybe he doesn't like you or has had bad experiences with you. PATCO has NEVER failed to answer or return my voice mail. Those who think Sam is confused about his role are either contractors or blowing smoke for whatever nefarious reason. At this point Rich - contractor - I'm taking your posts personally. You've gone beyond disrespecting the union to disrespecting me personally. I have no use for a**holes - time for you to show me and everyone else that you are not described by that expletive and are worth listening to. I'm trying to keep the community of weather observers together - you are not helping. Mark promised to include me in their email postings of union news - I will, with their permission, post as I learn things of significance to the group (without revealing negotiations...). Mark and Sam are both aware that they need to do more to communicate. I have no idea what you're babbling about now TFN and I don't think you do anymore. Some who post here know who I am and they can confirm that I am not a contractor if they wish to do so. As far as a pay freeze goes some posters can confirm that happened last year as well if they wish, and it was PATCO's "strategy" not a scare tactic by any contractors. So you're now going to be Marks errand boy as well as Sam's? You're moving up! If you don't think I'm "worth listening" to don't listen. I'm a little upset though that you think I'm an asshole.
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Post by rich on Jun 6, 2016 19:27:03 GMT -5
Mark and Sam are both aware that they need to do more to communicate. This isn't the first time we've heard this. Are they aware of telephones? E-mails? The postal service?
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