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Post by snowwx on Nov 10, 2015 7:24:13 GMT -5
Our local forecast office was told to butt out of the closure scenerio...Basically, what we already knew...NO SUPPORT from the NWS...but they sure want our obs, climate and snowfall data...!! Same old FAA vs NWS crap from years ago!
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Post by alstein on Nov 10, 2015 8:36:44 GMT -5
The forecasters need to complain to Congress as well.
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Post by TCU 2U2 on Nov 10, 2015 8:39:54 GMT -5
Our local forecast office was told to butt out of the closure scenerio...Basically, what we already knew...NO SUPPORT from the NWS...but they sure want our obs, climate and snowfall data...!! Same old FAA vs NWS crap from years ago! I hope no one is expecting the NWS to have any input in our favor on this issue, publicly. 2 years ago when the whole program was under the gun the NWS could not comment at all about the issue (remember the screen shot during some briefing that was captured and posted?) So even more so today will the NWS remain on the sidelines as they have (since 2013) turned over all observer training, certifications & exams to the FAA. Only question lingering is, how long before ASOS maintenance goes over to the FAA? |
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Post by hokiefan on Nov 10, 2015 11:56:22 GMT -5
NWS is no better than the FAA when it comes to ASOS. It still pisses me off to hear our local DAPM question our snow measurement if it differs from theirs by a half inch, while they praise a LAWRS site for "quality" obs. To understand where the NWS is coming from, just read this from July 1996: www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1996-07-31/html/96-19412.htmComment: 10 comments expressed the following concerns about ASOS: (a) ASOS can not be left in the unattended mode; (b) a human presence is required at all ASOS sites; and (c) ASOS observation is sometimes unrepresentative of actual conditions. Response:Development and testing of automated weather observing equipment has been in progress for nearly 20 years. Numerous studies and evaluations were conducted on automated observation systems beginning in the 1970s which included systems and technology similar to that of ASOS. Assessments of representativeness were made by comparing automated reports, specifically, ceiling and visibility to the human observer. As a result of the more than two decades of development and testing, ASOS has evolved into a highly accurate, consistent, and reliable complement to meteorological observations. The most recent testing effort was the ASOS Aviation Demonstration that was carried out jointly by the NWS, the FAA, and the aviation industry, from February 15, 1995 through August 15, 1995. During this Demonstration, NWS observers were asked to record those cases when ASOS observations did not represent the true meteorological situation. Based on reports supplied by NWS observers, ASOS was found to report the correct individual weather parameters at least 98% of the time under all conditions combined. From the beginning, ASOS was never intended to be the sole source of surface weather data. ASOS data will be supplemented by products derived from other remote automated systems including satellite, radar,and lightning networks. Efforts to develop and refine these new sensors and additional data products are underway. However, ASOS observations will continue to be ``augmented'' by human observers, at those sites required by the aviation community, until these additional sensors and data products are available, and their use is fully understood. The strength of ASOS is not that it is ``better'' than the observer, but that the sensor suite can be put in the area most sensitive to the weather that the pilot needs, that multiple sensors can be used at those sites where required, and that ASOS observations are consistent from station to station, day to night, and continuous 24 hours a day. |
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Post by tornado on Nov 10, 2015 12:30:49 GMT -5
How can the NWS "butt out", when a FOIA request, revealed this? A recent FOI response confirms that National Weather Service is responsible for the monitoring of ATC observations ...
Vice President / Air Traffic Services, said in part through a FOI request ... "National Weather Service is responsible for monitoring LAWRS." Either there is oversight, or there isn't. It appears the only oversight of LAWRS observations, is on this message board.  |
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Post by hokiefan on Nov 10, 2015 13:06:12 GMT -5
If the NWS is truly responsible for LAWRS QC, then they should be exposed for incompetence.
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Post by lostsheep on Nov 10, 2015 17:25:43 GMT -5
I have talked in the past, 2013 shut down of the 14 sites, with our DAPM and she stated that they had NO IDEA that CWO sites where being shut down. I asked her if it happens at our site will they get data from the FAA? She told me that they will take back doing the climate data at there office!!!! Can't imagine how the Global warming crowd will like that!!!! Maybe if we call AL GORE and tell him about the climate data being jeopardize by the FAA he'll step in for us!!!NWS is out of this fight for good. They should be called out Hokiefan with all the crappy LAWRS observations that come out on a daily basis!!! Nothing will happen and so much for maintaining good QC at our sites for the NWS, all for not!!! Just like my old contractor told me years ago, the observers are just weather whores to the NWS!!! Getting no pay for your service to them.
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Post by vortlobes on Aug 7, 2016 23:49:31 GMT -5
We get total support from our local NWS office.
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Post by hlsto2 on Aug 8, 2016 10:43:19 GMT -5
you are fortunate as I am sure NWS HQ has told field offices to stay out of it.
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