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Post by TCU 2U2 on Dec 9, 2016 13:31:46 GMT -5
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Post by skobie on Dec 9, 2016 14:43:15 GMT -5
Since "AJT-21 will conduct audits based on based on reports of erroneous weather observations based on reports from internal and external FAA stakeholders and/or randomly", let us all make sure to forward LAWRS observational errors that many of you have worked on for months on this very Board to AJT-21 (and cc AJT-22 and the CO and COR to make sure he gets them).
skobie
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Post by alstein on Dec 9, 2016 19:25:24 GMT -5
Seen that they consider highest risk- turning ALDARS off- seriously.
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Post by skobie on Dec 10, 2016 0:40:42 GMT -5
Is there a "list" somewhere alstein? Do tell (or show me where to find it). I'm curious.
skobie
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Post by alstein on Dec 10, 2016 4:30:15 GMT -5
I saw a QC audit from a few months back, I don't know where it is electronically- it checked CWO and LAARS sites and a few others- it showed a lot of they considered problems at LAWRS sites, some of which were egregious such as shutting off during storms, others were ALDARS being off- some CWOs got tagged as well, most were for ALDARS being off, but one was due to an employee locking in the ceiling all night somewhere and never changing it- who got "retrained"- it was I believe a Vero site. We can get a bad employee, I've seen it, but in general unlike the controllers we can be held responsible for not doing this job. I'd say about 25% of LAWRS sites were seriously dangerous taking out ALDARS, for CWOs it was just that one site out of I think 25-30. The FAA reported both numbers as higher given that they considered ALDARS the most vital thing ever.
In general, LAARS was much worse in terms of degree of problems, the real CWO problems was only that one site. I'm not counting ALDARS off as a big problem given that it's shit- but it sounds like the FAA was going to try spinning it that way.
It did seem the FAA didn't care much about remarks being slightly incorrect- which I think is fine, those things should be corrected, but if it's clear to the pilots it's not a danger. I do think we concentrate too much on minor technical errors here sometimes, when we need to be concentrating on the major risks to safety, which there are plenty of. The other thing they didn't seem to notice was LAARS folks missing storms entirely provided ALDARS was on.
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Post by skobie on Dec 10, 2016 9:29:04 GMT -5
Yes, missing events (and data which shut be manually put in to ASOS) altogether is an even bigger problem, but also more difficult to QC. They'd have to have a guy like tornado QCing all the LAWRS sites! But seriously, the FAA QC people need to release a more exhaustive list as an addendum to this memo or how do we know what they consider a "low" or "high" risk issues?
skobie
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Post by alstein on Dec 10, 2016 10:47:59 GMT -5
Their criteria was whether it presented "a significant risk to air safety". They didn't explain that at all.
That said, QC of missing events is just too big a task to be done at a national level. That's the sort of thing that can only be done locally, and there's no real motivation for that level of quality checking unless the NWS complains, and it doesn't really impact their job outside of verification, and they can radar verify, and the military warning criteria just needs winds and a lightning sensor for storms.
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Post by coldlover on Dec 25, 2016 18:15:34 GMT -5
Here is one Calamita and his team should "investigate"--- a lot going wrong here is an understatement.
Rapid City,SD LAWRS
KRAP 252252Z 32038G50KT M1/4SM FZFG VV007 M09/M12 A2936 RMK AO2 PK WND 32050/2244 SLP991 P0003 T10941117 RVRNO $
KRAP 252227Z 33035G49KT M1/4SM FZFG VV009 M09/M11 A2935 RMK AO2 PK WND 32049/2222 P0003 T10891111 RVRNO $
KRAP 252216Z 33036G47KT M1/4SM VCTS FZFG VV012 M09/M11 A2935 RMK AO2 PK WND 33047/2210 T10891111 RVRNO $
KRAP 252207Z AUTO 32037G44KT M1/4SM VCTS FZFG VV015 M09/M11 A2936 RMK AO2 PK WND 32044/2206 T10891106 PWINO FZRANO RVRNO $
KRAP 252152Z AUTO 33035G45KT M1/4SM FZFG VV017 M08/M11 A2935 RMK AO2 PK WND 33047/2121 FZRAE01SNB01E18B23SNEMM SLP985 P0002 I1000 T10831106 PWINO FZRANO RVRNO $
KRAP 252120Z AUTO 33037G45KT 1/4SM FZFG BLSN VV018 M08/M10 A2933 RMK AO2 PK WND 33045/2120 FZRAE01SNB01E18 P0000 I1000 T10781100 RVRNO $
KRAP 252107Z AUTO 33031G41KT 3/4SM -SN BR OVC018 M07/M09 A2935 RMK AO2 PK WND 33041/2102 FZRAE01SNB01 P0000 I1000 T10721094 RVRNO $
KRAP 252052Z AUTO 33032G38KT 3/4SM FZRA BR OVC018 M07/M09 A2935 RMK AO2 PK WND 33041/2025 SLP984 P0001 60001 I1003 I3010 T10671089 58041 RVRNO $
KRAP 252045Z AUTO 33032G41KT 3/4SM FZRA BR OVC018 M07/M09 A2936 RMK AO2 PK WND 33041/2025 P0001 I1003 T10671089 RVRNO $
KRAP 252013Z 33031G37KT 1 1/2SM FZRA BR SCT015 BKN021 OVC035 M07/M08 A2939 RMK AO2 PK WND 33040/2002 I1002 T10671083 PNO $
KRAP 252002Z 33034G40KT 1SM FZRA BR FEW015 BKN030 OVC035 M07/M08 A2937 RMK AO2 PK WND 33040/2002 I1001 T10671083 RVRNO PNO $
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Post by skobie on Dec 27, 2016 10:52:37 GMT -5
Good Lord. Can you imagine if that came out of a CWO site? The Observer On Duty would be fired on the spot!
skobie
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Post by hlsto2 on Dec 27, 2016 13:21:19 GMT -5
the FAA investigating anything related to ASOS/AWOS would be like the bag boy at the grocery store investigating a major crime scene...
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