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Post by mdwxman on Oct 13, 2017 11:11:45 GMT -5
Good day all! It has become apparent that PATCO does not intend on giving a rats behind about its people at us “lower Wx contractor” sites. Does anyone know if and if so, how, we can join a different Union? Numerous emails and calls were sent to the current rep and not one reply back AT ALL from different personnel. This has been going on for about 2 years now. They even did a CBA without contacting any union reps and asking for opinions or recommendations on the new CBA. Just signed it. Thanks!!!
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Post by lostsheep on Oct 14, 2017 10:34:34 GMT -5
Ever since our station went PATCO, they've gone to silent mode!!! Same here mdwxman, no emails, no return phone calls, etc, etc. We have not seen any paper work from PATCO or our Contractor from the last CBA singed one year ago or the new one that took affect on Oct 1, 2017. Believe it does not matter if your a small station or like us, bigger level A, as long as PATCO gets our "DUES" they could give two craps about us!!!! I've asked for paper work from the contractor regarding the new CBA, see if we get it. Good luck with getting your CBA paper work!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 17:19:02 GMT -5
Hey
I guess It all pays the same for PATCO. I do miss Jerry Tuso Not perfect but way better on his watch.
Imlate
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Post by flyguy on Oct 16, 2017 13:01:49 GMT -5
Hey I guess It all pays the same for PATCO. I do miss Jerry Tuso Not perfect but way better on his watch. Imlate It use to pay the same our new CBA no Sunday pay for part time or relief employees, and what did we get in return....crickets |
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Post by binovc on Oct 17, 2017 23:23:03 GMT -5
flyguy - who's your contractor?
I've been emailing and tried calling (left voicemail) Sam N. for some time now trying to find out what our new CBA would be. Even though Tuso never particularly appreciated my efforts to help get a good contract, at least he was prompt at answering me. Neimeiser just ignores. Eventually he replies if I send enough emails, but it's generally a BS response.
Hate to say it, but it's starting to get hard to pay union dues when all I get is crickets chirping. Not to mention trying (as union steward) to keep the other observers "pro-union."
We really need a better union, and a contract that provides all of us the same pay/benefits (adjusted for local COL), regardless of the fact that we work for different contractors.
Hell, if we had a unified CBA, that would sort of make contractors unnecessary - wouldn't that alone save the feds a bunch of money?
Not interested in taking anyone's job away, but it seems like a big unnecessary expense to pay a bunch of individual contractors to do what one relatively small government office should be able to do.
Think I may be starting to ramble...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 3:20:29 GMT -5
binovc It all starts with an idea, And Sam N. Are you really be that busy to not return calls and emails from your members, Tuso always returned calls,it feels like we just not that importion, if your not pulling your weight your pushing your luck.
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Post by Little Miss Sunshine on Oct 18, 2017 7:35:28 GMT -5
Hey I guess It all pays the same for PATCO. I do miss Jerry Tuso Not perfect but way better on his watch. Imlate It use to pay the same our new CBA no Sunday pay for part time or relief employees, and what did we get in return....crickets our shop steward last week informed our staff that we no longer have 11 holidays. somehow we lost Good Friday -- wtf  (excuse my French)  |
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Post by tornado on Oct 18, 2017 8:19:04 GMT -5
...we no longer have 11 holidays. somehow we lost Good Friday Our site lost Good Friday as well. Also, Sunday pay was eliminated for part-time and relief observers.  |
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Post by flyguy on Oct 18, 2017 12:45:50 GMT -5
It just makes you wonder who PATCO is negotiating for? What the heck did the dues paying members gain for give such concessions to the contract companies?
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Post by ralph on Oct 18, 2017 13:08:14 GMT -5
My thoughts as well, Something not smelling right here, and other stations did not lose Sunday (part time) or Good Friday pay. Is this is why no members where contacted by PATCO for input on this before. Why are not all stations the same standard with Holidays and Sunday pay ? Wondering
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Post by northwx on Oct 18, 2017 16:09:54 GMT -5
Many, if not all, of the contractors have master agreements with the union. If Sunday pay for all is not specifically written out in your CBA, the contractor has the right to deny Sunday diff to part time employees - the FAA contracts only demand Sunday diff for full-time employees. I don't know what the FAA says about holidays now, but if that has changed (blame that loss of Good Friday on the atheists in the Obama admin... we only used to get 10 holidays) and your CBA doesn't spell it out, you're stuck - contractors have a strong incentive to nickel and dime us to get a competitive advantage over the other contractors. Did you folks reach out to PATCO with what you wanted before negotiations started? I do know that Sam has been in and out of the hospital since last spring...
If your CBA expires in a year, you should be starting the process - the FAA needs more than 6 months to approve your new CBA, as has been historically the last 20 years. Master agreements would be the reason that a contractor would not have to negotiate with the union for your specific site.
I agree from what has been written above that something doesn't smell right...
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Post by alstein on Oct 18, 2017 22:51:00 GMT -5
If you've lost the extra holiday and the part-time day, are you making more from the union than you are paying out in dues? When it gets to that point you'd be better off just dumping the union entirely.
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Post by rich on Oct 19, 2017 4:19:14 GMT -5
It use to pay the same our new CBA no Sunday pay for part time or relief employees, and what did we get in return....crickets our shop steward last week informed our staff that we no longer have 11 holidays. somehow we lost Good Friday -- wtf (excuse my French) Did anything replace the Good Friday holiday? Higher wages? Extra Pers day? Etc. |
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Post by rich on Oct 19, 2017 4:25:28 GMT -5
Many, if not all, of the contractors have master agreements with the union. If Sunday pay for all is not specifically written out in your CBA, the contractor has the right to deny Sunday diff to part time employees - the FAA contracts only demand Sunday diff for full-time employees. I don't know what the FAA says about holidays now, but if that has changed (blame that loss of Good Friday on the atheists in the Obama admin... we only used to get 10 holidays) and your CBA doesn't spell it out, you're stuck - contractors have a strong incentive to nickel and dime us to get a competitive advantage over the other contractors. Did you folks reach out to PATCO with what you wanted before negotiations started? I do know that Sam has been in and out of the hospital since last spring... If your CBA expires in a year, you should be starting the process - the FAA needs more than 6 months to approve your new CBA, as has been historically the last 20 years. Master agreements would be the reason that a contractor would not have to negotiate with the union for your specific site. I agree from what has been written above that something doesn't smell right... A lot more misinformation then facts here as usual. |
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Post by Little Miss Sunshine on Oct 19, 2017 7:28:57 GMT -5
our shop steward last week informed our staff that we no longer have 11 holidays. somehow we lost Good Friday -- wtf (excuse my French) Did anything replace the Good Friday holiday? Higher wages? Extra Pers day? Etc. not sure yet how or what replaced good Friday. shop steward has yet to get that clarification from patco - but he is searching for an answer. has any shop stewards on this board had the opportunity to negotiate during this year (or past years) with patco since Mr Tuso left? wages are higher than DOL, but that has been for many many years (back when Mr Tuso ran the show). lastly - not to be political, but going back to 10 holidays does not seem to be from any beltway influence, Obama or whomever, in fact the Good Friday holiday is not even on the Federal books. |
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