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Post by weatherwatcher on Dec 31, 2018 13:45:07 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the shutdown will affect CWO's? It was conveyed to me by an ATC that it will/should. Im not saying I believe them just curious.
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Post by consltg on Dec 31, 2018 19:03:57 GMT -5
I wish I had the answer to your question weatherwatcher. I wouldn't put too much weight on what an ATC tells you. What the hell do they know about our situation. I'm a bit surprised nobody has come forward yet to answer your question yet. We're getting a bit curious and nervous ourselves as time goes on.
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Post by coldlover on Dec 31, 2018 23:10:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Remember- those of us that have been around long enough have been through this before. Clinton shut her down from December 5, 1995, to January 6, 1996. Even with much more shady contractors and not the requirements that must be met nowdays (serious cash reserves) pretty sure all were paid on time. More recently in 2013, Obama shut her down from October 1 to 17, 2013. Pretty sure all were paid on time then. We are fine.
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Post by snowwx on Jan 1, 2019 6:08:22 GMT -5
Contractors are required to have reserves for stuff like this, given the federal government is unreliable and screwed up when it comes to funds...in order to even bid on contracts, reserve values must be met...and we are talking alot of reserves...a few years back we had a few people we knew that were going to set up and bid and the reserve values were in the stratosphere ....
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Post by northwx on Jan 1, 2019 13:31:14 GMT -5
We're open... Ignore ATC at the lower level - they know nothing. You will have trouble getting a TEC to come out and service your ASLOP. When an ATC tries to tell you how to do your job, understand that their standards and quality of work are different from ours.
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Post by weatherwatcher on Jan 1, 2019 14:03:11 GMT -5
I did and continue to do as I always do.
Smile and change the subject.
I agree with all that was said above.
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Post by dejavu on Jan 3, 2019 22:44:19 GMT -5
OK, now I know that this is a really radical idea (sarcasm), but why don't some of you SWOs ask your Venders if/how we are affected and post the answer on here and inform the rest of us. I'm also pretty sure that at least one Vender gets on this forum. The Venders do know and need to inform their employees. It is their duty since this may affect all of us. What about the union, oh yeah, not their job to know (more sarcasm). ATCs don't know and don't care, and why should they.
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Post by dejavu on Jan 4, 2019 16:30:05 GMT -5
Here is the answer from one of the Venders "Of course we are essential and everyone will get paid, although FAA wont pay us till this is over… ". Kind of vague, does he mean we'll get paid when the shutdown is over or will we get paid on schedule out of the Contractor's reserve and then the Contractor gets paid back when it's over. The answer should be the later. This needs clarification.
Next question, being contract employees, and since the government employees' raise for this year 2.1% was cancelled, is our raise also cancelled? Most likely...but...
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Post by alstein on Jan 4, 2019 18:19:55 GMT -5
We're not impacted- especially since our wages are determined by negotiation. (this might be different for non-union sites)
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Post by dejavu on Jan 4, 2019 18:56:59 GMT -5
Thanks alstein.
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Post by alstein on Jan 6, 2019 3:51:47 GMT -5
For unions I think the wages are determined by contractor/union- so the contractor is on the hook if they don't get the money. If there's no money no raise will be negotiated, and it's likely that next year there wouldn't be a raise- I think.
Also, if this shutdown lasts long enough- we might stop getting paid, but someone said six month requirement. Belgium once had a shutdown last longer than that. I do think by the six month point things would break entirely - TSA is starting to get a massive case of blue flu according to the media , and now hearing controllers are starting to do it.
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Post by vorticity on Jan 7, 2019 12:38:45 GMT -5
I believe that the President's executive order froze pay for federal employees. CWOs are not federal employees; thus, this would not apply to us. I doubt that the President would have the authority to explicitly freeze pay for private sector employees such as CWOs.
As far as CWOs continuing to work and receiving pay during the partial federal government shutdown: The key point is probably whether or not the shutdown extends past the required reserve funds point. I think that the requirement in bids is 90 days funds on reserve to pay for operating costs in the event that vendors do not get paid by the federal government (although I am not certain of this). So what happens if this extends beyond 90 days, or whatever that period of time is? That is the unknown. Could the vendors be ordered to secure additional reserve funds to pay operating costs? Since CWOs are private sector employees, do state labor laws come into play regarding timely pay of wages earned, meaning that CWOs cannot be forced to work on IOUs? Could the FAA issue stop work orders on the contracts? I'm sure that CWOs will be notified by their vendors of any information received from the FAA as they receive it (and, by the way, contracting officers are currently furloughed, too).
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Post by alwayswx on Jan 7, 2019 17:28:30 GMT -5
CWO payraises were increased October 1. So they will not be effected. The 2.1% Federal raise was never approved by the House or Senate since there is no budget agreed to. There is still a possibility that a pay to Federal employees could pass whenever they come to a budget and signed by the president. If payraises are in Federal employees contracts, then the pay raise will take place.
I wish we could find out when Vendors are paid from the Govt, that would give CWO much better guidance on when paydays could stop.
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Post by rich on Jan 7, 2019 19:23:28 GMT -5
I wish we could find out when Vendors are paid from the Govt, that would give CWO much better guidance on when paydays could stop.
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They were paid for Nov services in mid December.
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Post by coldlover on Jan 8, 2019 6:05:15 GMT -5
I can't answer #1- but I can #2.
As mentioned by previous posters - CWO raises ( if so, seen last OCT) are not affected by this. What you have been making an hour since OCT 1ST 2018 is what you will be making until Sept 30, 2019. When the Govt shutdown Oct 1st -17th 2013- many CWO's received raises DURING this time frame that had been negotiated just previous to the shutdown. AGAIN- CWO pay IS NOT affected by the GOVT shutdown. Could this shutdown affect potential raises coming this OCT? That is open to much speculation of which I digress.
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