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7900.5E
Jul 18, 2019 17:56:11 GMT -5
Post by northwx on Jul 18, 2019 17:56:11 GMT -5
More cubicle fun... ByeBye CORs - Joe wants us to only use COR for our mistakes - so he can show congress that we really aren't better than LAWRS, because we make 'em too... Joe, get over it. A SPECI for missing data does not meet the definition or requirements of SPECI criteria - unless you've changed that in .5E also. I do not see the need for this change.
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7900.5E
Jul 19, 2019 0:02:17 GMT -5
Post by hlsto2 on Jul 19, 2019 0:02:17 GMT -5
More cubicle fun... ByeBye CORs - Joe wants us to only use COR for our mistakes - so he can show congress that we really aren't better than LAWRS, because we make 'em too... Joe, get over it. A SPECI for missing data does not meet the definition or requirements of SPECI criteria - unless you've changed that in .5E also. I do not see the need for this change. gotta love it when people trained to talk to pilots try and tell us how to do our job. we have over 200 pages of LAWRS errors...maybe they should tell obstrollers to do their job. |
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7900.5E
Jul 20, 2019 2:09:10 GMT -5
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Post by snowwx on Jul 20, 2019 2:09:10 GMT -5
Again, I stated previously, since the Ken and Barbie show along with joe calamity show didn’t get their way when Congress told them must keep the cwos open ...they are going to try to screw with us and come up with stupid crap and try to make working miserable. They just sit there and try to justify their existence and have absolutely no clue what weather is or meteorologist are. Again I forgot more than they will ever know. So when our station gives me
Kxxx A2992. Pno chino etc. when it crashes during a thunderstorm. We have to cor it to get correct information out. But it’s not our fault. It’s the 1980s piece of junk fault. Oh well let it go like lawrs stations do.
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7900.5E
Jul 23, 2019 16:12:23 GMT -5
Post by northwx on Jul 23, 2019 16:12:23 GMT -5
I would vote to ignore the instruction on CORs & missing data, but the whole lot of us will have to agree to do so before I will stick my neck out - sorry, I need to keep this job until I retire in just a few short years...
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7900.5E
Jul 23, 2019 22:03:22 GMT -5
Post by alstein on Jul 23, 2019 22:03:22 GMT -5
I'd perhaps have a station policy to note/document the # of specis that should have been CORs. I'd definitely get the info out. If you can come up with enough of a backlog of these, I'd contact Congress.
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7900.5E
Jul 24, 2019 1:39:52 GMT -5
Post by skobie on Jul 24, 2019 1:39:52 GMT -5
This is where the FAA fails big time on how CWOs should perform their job. They don't take into account the people who work with ASOS and actually have training to take observations. US! This is just terrible management and general how not to run a railroad. A few of us should even be included in re-writing any changes (and some are needed of course, but not the ones the dorks at FAA want to re-write) into the 7900 and its 15th version!
This is just common sense that you include people who create the data. We do it in education, industry, other government contracts, etc.. Of course, we already know that tweedle-dee and tweedle-dumb couldn't properly run a bubble gum stand. They need to go.
skobie
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7900.5E
Jul 24, 2019 8:11:49 GMT -5
Post by tornado on Jul 24, 2019 8:11:49 GMT -5
A few of us should even be included in re-writing any changes... First 2 things I'd like to see: 1) Directions may be given up to 16 points of the compass; e.g., CB N MOV SSE 2) An example of movement with DSNT CB; e.g. CB DSNT N MOV E 2) should already be allowable, since movement is part of the format; but given the lack of an example some say it's not allowable. |
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Post by rich on Jul 24, 2019 10:00:33 GMT -5
A few of us should even be included in re-writing any changes... First 2 things I'd like to see: 1) Directions may be given up to 16 points of the compass; e.g., CB N MOV SSE 2) An example of movement with DSNT CB; e.g. CB DSNT N MOV E 2) should already be allowable, since movement is part of the format; but given the lack of an example some say it's not allowable. It's not only allowable it's required (if known): 11.37. Significant Clouds. Observers must be alert for the occurrence of cumulonimbus, towering cumulus, altocumulus castellanus, standing lenticular, or rotor clouds and report them whenever they occur. These clouds may be reported by entering a remark in METAR and SPECI observations. The remark must contain the identification of the cloud, and (insofar as known) the direction and distance from the station and, for cumulonimbus clouds, the direction of movement. |
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7900.5E
Jul 24, 2019 10:20:05 GMT -5
Post by TCU 2U2 on Jul 24, 2019 10:20:05 GMT -5
I would vote to ignore the instruction on CORs & missing data, but the whole lot of us will have to agree to do so before I will stick my neck out - sorry, I need to keep this job until I retire in just a few short years... The suggestion from headquarters of transmitting a SPECI instead of sending a COR for missing data can only been seen as making the process less work intensive [for LAWRS] since no augmentation or editing is required, just a few key strokes by LAWRS. Example: 1) LAWRS generates a CORRECTION:
Winds go out at obs time. Key in CMD - OBS - COR Obtain and enter the missing data (winds in this example) in the required CORRECT LOCATION and FORMATThen XMIT. 2) LAWRS generates a SPECI:Winds go out at obs time. (Once winds return to service) Key GENOB - SPEC - XMIT |
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7900.5E
Jul 24, 2019 11:23:16 GMT -5
Post by vorticity on Jul 24, 2019 11:23:16 GMT -5
Part of the problem with transmitting a COR on the ASOS is that doing so disables the ASOS ground-to-air radio broadcast to a default message stating, "Automated observing system temporarily inoperative." Any pilot accessing this on radio frequency or via the dial-in telephone number will hear this message until the next uncorrected (meaning not a COR) METAR/SPECI is transmitted. If a COR is transmitted, then it could be up to an hour before a pilot accessing the ground-to-air radio broadcast would receive any observation data. Generating and transmitting a SPECI does not have this effect on the ground-to-air radio broadcast message. Another good reason to make sure everything in the observation is correct before transmission insofar as possible.
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7900.5E
Jul 24, 2019 17:37:53 GMT -5
Post by hlsto2 on Jul 24, 2019 17:37:53 GMT -5
the problem with sending a speci instead of a cor on the hourly metar is that it contaminates the climate for that day. the 24 hourly metars are used to determine the summary of the day.
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7900.5E
Jul 24, 2019 22:35:07 GMT -5
Post by alstein on Jul 24, 2019 22:35:07 GMT -5
I'd say best solution in a normal situation would be to COR then SPECI immediately. Solves the problem on both ends. If you're busy obviously you won't have time for that.
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7900.5E
Jul 25, 2019 0:42:15 GMT -5
Post by hlsto2 on Jul 25, 2019 0:42:15 GMT -5
I'd say best solution in a normal situation would be to COR then SPECI immediately. Solves the problem on both ends. If you're busy obviously you won't have time for that. fa and a needs to set their system to broadcast the latest...whether it is a COR or a SPECI |
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7900.5E
Jul 25, 2019 9:42:04 GMT -5
Post by skobie on Jul 25, 2019 9:42:04 GMT -5
[/quote]fa and a needs to set their system to broadcast the latest...whether it is a COR or a SPECI[/quote]
Ya, you would think in today's technological world that would be possible and easily done.....
skobie
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7900.5E
Jul 25, 2019 12:02:41 GMT -5
Post by TCU 2U2 on Jul 25, 2019 12:02:41 GMT -5
How about this for a change in a future 7900 Joint Order:
Chapter 3. General Procedures
FAA-contract observers must monitor weather conditions via a Continuous Weather Watch. FAA & NF-OBS (including LAWRS) must monitor weather conditions via a Basic Weather Watch.
By the manuals own definition, CWO's are and should be listed as Continuous:
Basic Weather Watch.
During a Basic Weather Watch, the observer may be required to perform other duties as their observing workload permits. Because of this and other restrictions (station location, structural design, etc.) that may limit the observer’s capability to continuously view and evaluate weather conditions, observers performing a Basic Weather Watch cannot be expected to detect and report all weather changes as they occur. In addition to taking and disseminating required
observations, facilities performing a Basic Weather Watch must recheck weather conditions to determine if a new observation (SPECI) is required when advised by any reliable source (for example, tower controller) that existing conditions differ from those reported in the last disseminated observation.
Continuous Weather Watch.
At facilities performing a Continuous Weather Watch, the observer must monitor weather conditions on a continuous basis. In addition to METAR observations,
observers must take and disseminate observations as conditions meeting criteria for SPECI observations occur.
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