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Post by weatherwatcher on Apr 21, 2020 10:01:29 GMT -5
So we had to check last week to see if the TWR had a backup to the ASOS OID for temp/dp.
Why? I thought we were the backup.
Is this the start of another attempt to get rid of us?
Not being able to get temp/dp if the ASOS was out was a mitigating factor in not having the controllers do OUR job.
Seems fishy to me.
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Post by hlsto2 on Apr 21, 2020 10:58:47 GMT -5
So we had to check last week to see if the TWR had a backup to the ASOS OID for temp/dp. Why? I thought we were the backup. Is this the start of another attempt to get rid of us? Not being able to get temp/dp if the ASOS was out was a mitigating factor in not having the controllers do OUR job. Seems fishy to me. sounds like another ken/sling-joe fiasco. towers with CWO's would not need backup equipment since the CWO backs up the sensors. we call the tower for alstg/wind as needed since they have the airport wind system and an altimeter readout in the tower. |
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Post by weatherwatcher on Apr 21, 2020 12:13:40 GMT -5
Exactly.
But you know the old saying.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
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Post by snowwx on Apr 22, 2020 3:38:57 GMT -5
Our tower has ASOS OID and on the NIDS has SAWS winds/temps/dp/altimeter...been that way for 10 years... FAA cannot make any move against any CWO through 2023, unless they want to violate federal law...and they would be in contempt of congress...case closed!
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Post by binovc on Apr 22, 2020 20:26:32 GMT -5
We got a letter yesterday from Midwest Wx Inc:
"AS you probably know (me - guess I didn't), the primary backup for Winds, Altimeter and Temp/DP is the Surface Weather System (SWS) which is displayed in the ATCT. Note: not all sites have the SWS at this time - check with your ATCT.
"At some locations, the ATCT may not have the ability to view the Temp/DP display. Please check with the ATCT to ensure that they have access to Temp/DP data (me - we did, they don't). Please let me know if the ATCT at your site has BOTH 1) SWS installed AND 2) does not have access to Temp/DP data.
"Also, only Kestrel, HygroPalm and sling psychrometers (me- our s.p. broke years back, had to have a hazmat crew clean the mercury, couldn't get it replaced because they have (had maybe?) mercury) are approved for use. If you have a Mannix or a SAM psychrometer, please remove it from the office. You can throw it away or give it away or keep it for yourself. The FAA is not tracking these items and they want them disposed of.
Our back-up was an EXTECH RH300 (or it looked like that, could've been a knock-off? - anyway ours is now vanished so I can't check).
So anyway time will tell if we are provided something on the approved list as a back-up, since we have no access to the SWS.
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Post by weatherwatcher on May 14, 2020 7:36:49 GMT -5
Case Closed?
LOL
I just found out that FAA operations personnel have been directed to take weather training. Including the understanding of convective weather, radar training and dissemination of weather reports.
They say CWO's have no need to even look at a radar ALDARS is deemed to be accurate..
It could be a coincidence snowwx but I dont think certain folks will EVER stop trying to eliminate the CWO's.
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Post by alstein on May 14, 2020 14:38:12 GMT -5
I worry about three years from now.
Air travel will be decimated, and we might have a split Congress/Presidency that will try to force another sequestration.
If the economy is still bad, that might save us due to us being able to be sold as a job program that is popular.
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Post by northwx on May 14, 2020 17:02:41 GMT -5
Case Closed? LOL I just found out that FAA operations personnel have been directed to take weather training. Including the understanding of convective weather, radar training and dissemination of weather reports. They say CWO's have no need to even look at a radar ALDARS is deemed to be accurate.. It could be a coincidence snowwx but I dont think certain folks will EVER stop trying to eliminate the CWO's. Right... FAA folks are majorly disinterested in taking wx obs. Training might help them understand what we're doing. We have friends in Congress, and we have friends with the user groups. And yeah, there are just a few in noisily influential positions that think weather should be done by automation, because they trust ASLOP more than us or the NWS - they have rocks in their heads, blinders over their eyes, a serious case of agency prejudice, and a more serious case of prideful megalomania. At least a couple of them need to retire - my two cents - maybe they'll retire before I do... There WILL be another closure battle in 2023, and yes they're trying to set us up. The only argument they might have is if they have so many staff that they actually have time to take on more responsibilities - but even those guys won't be dedicated to safely accurate weather obs. |
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Post by northwx on May 14, 2020 17:06:08 GMT -5
I worry about three years from now. Air travel will be decimated, and we might have a split Congress/Presidency that will try to force another sequestration. If the economy is still bad, that might save us due to us being able to be sold as a job program that is popular. Al, be at peace - congress doesn't care about money (they just keep printing more...) they care about SAFETY. Keep contact with your congressional reps and senators - we have a great safety case for keeping us open. Hint: just keep reminding them that SRMPs are required to produce an expected casualty number - that always gets congress' attention. |
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