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Post by weatherwatcher on Mar 17, 2021 6:34:58 GMT -5
Anyone remember the memo last year telling us not to back up ANY precip totals? I.E. P group, 6 group and 7 group?
Well we adhered to that policy set forth and our ASOS took a hard dive the last few weeks and we have been having to do things manually. We have a rain gauge but we let the obs go through as instructed with 6//// and 7////.
No problem but the NWS called last night and wanted the totals. The observer advised about the memo and the NWS said we were their backup. LOL. We had the totals but this presents us with a quandary.
The memo clearly states that if the precip totals are missing we are NOT to back them up. It goes on to say that they will attempt to make the "policy" clearer in the "next" revision.
I just wanted to get some thoughts on this issue.
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Post by hlsto2 on Mar 17, 2021 13:14:29 GMT -5
yes...FAA memo clarified that we would NOT back up the P...3...6...or 7...pcpn amounts if they were missing on the metar. I believe you are correct in giving the NWS rainfall amounts obtained from the manual gauge.
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Post by northwx on Mar 17, 2021 17:00:55 GMT -5
This is bureaucratic nonsense at its worst. We're here and we have the equipment. We have to call the NWS every night after midnight to report manual precip and snowfall... It appears FAA wants NWS to pay for the data - the battle rages on. It costs the FAA nothing for us to provide that data, and serves no purpose for the FAA to deny us the responsibility.
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Post by vorticity on Mar 19, 2021 9:25:44 GMT -5
ASOS backup requirements are defined in FAA Order JO 7900.5E Chapter 6. There is nothing in that document that directs CWOs to backup precipitation amounts. FAA Order JO 7900.5E Chapter 9 paragraph 9.20 is titled "Precipitation Amounts (Automated)". They are not provided via manual means. The applicable paragraphs in FAA Order JO 7900.5E Chapter 13 regulating encoding of precipitation amount remarks also note that they are "Automated Only". This is why FAA added clarified with the memo because they had noted some CWOs manually editing the ASOS precipitation amount remarks even though the Order directs them not to do so.
The FAA has jurisdiction over the aviation surface weather observation program, not the NWS. The NWS cannot tell you to do something that is not required under FAA policies and regulations. The only CWO sites that need a manual rain gauge are those sites listed as snow depth reporting sites in FAA Order JO 7900.5E Appendix F, because one would be needed to perform the measurement for augmenting Water Equivalent of Snow on Ground remarks.
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Post by weatherwatcher on Mar 19, 2021 11:01:23 GMT -5
Dude Calm down. No one directed anything. We're supposed to be in all this together for the good of the taxpayers. Right? Just wanting some opinions. Thank you for giving yours. LOL
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