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Post by ScarTissue22 on Feb 24, 2022 13:06:55 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
This has been on mind and just wanted to share this. Why has not anyone lobbied for the CWO program to be established department recognized by the FAA as Federal Employees? So we can be done with constantly not knowing if we are going to be employed every 4 yrs. There has got to be someone we can speak to in congress or local Rep or the House or someone. I have heard many pilots say we would be flying into danger if it was not for the CWO program. It benefits all air travel and is vital for safety and observing ever changing weather conditions. Looking forward to thoughts on this matter please be kind in your replies as we are all working for the same goal to inform and help when we can.
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Post by alstein on Feb 24, 2022 13:49:30 GMT -5
That wouldn't be better job security necessarily, and would mean more regulations/less pay.
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Post by northwx on Feb 28, 2022 14:26:22 GMT -5
Any attempt by us to become fed employees will give fuel to those who think ATC LAWRS can do our work and the contracts aren't needed. The whole idea of contracting out weather back in '94 was to avoid distracted ATCs and to save the feds some money not having to pay ATC salaries to weather people. It will not be possible or even desirable to be federal employees without sacrifices to us or the NAS safety. Contractors can exercise greater control over their employees than the feds - thus achieving a better product. This 26 year veteran weather observer does not want to work directly for the FAA as one of their employees.
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Post by hlsto2 on Feb 28, 2022 17:00:34 GMT -5
Any attempt by us to become fed employees will give fuel to those who think ATC LAWRS can do our work and the contracts aren't needed. The whole idea of contracting out weather back in '94 was to avoid distracted ATCs and to save the feds some money not having to pay ATC salaries to weather people. It will not be possible or even desirable to be federal employees without sacrifices to us or the NAS safety. Contractors can exercise greater control over their employees than the feds - thus achieving a better product. This 26 year veteran weather observer does not want to work directly for the FAA as one of their employees. the biggest mistake made was when the observing program was taken away from the NWS and dumped on the FAA...which doesn't have a clue. in the 70s and 80s the NWS had airport observing offices. the supervisor was a GS-9 and the observers were GS-7. LAWRS is terrible and even worse in adverse weather. it shows dramatically that they have little or no training or even care about what ASOS spits out. |
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Post by northwx on Mar 2, 2022 18:37:42 GMT -5
Any attempt by us to become fed employees will give fuel to those who think ATC LAWRS can do our work and the contracts aren't needed. The whole idea of contracting out weather back in '94 was to avoid distracted ATCs and to save the feds some money not having to pay ATC salaries to weather people. It will not be possible or even desirable to be federal employees without sacrifices to us or the NAS safety. Contractors can exercise greater control over their employees than the feds - thus achieving a better product. This 26 year veteran weather observer does not want to work directly for the FAA as one of their employees. the biggest mistake made was when the observing program was taken away from the NWS and dumped on the FAA...which doesn't have a clue. in the 70s and 80s the NWS had airport observing offices. the supervisor was a GS-9 and the observers were GS-7. LAWRS is terrible and even worse in adverse weather. it shows dramatically that they have little or no training or even care about what ASOS spits out. There were no NWS employees at my station/airport as far back as 1952 - flight service took care of it from 1956-1994, when they closed the FSS and contracted the weather. Before WWII there was an NWS observer at our old townsite. I have no idea what they did down in the lower 48. GS numbers need to be translated into what that would pay today... But thanks for the post - LAWRS just isn't interested in weather, even when they are in it it seems. |
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Post by hlsto2 on Mar 4, 2022 11:26:06 GMT -5
here are the current GS pay scales. I hired on at WBAS ELP in 1966 as a GS-7 step 1...at $6461 a year. now it's $38503...big change!
EFFECTIVE JANUARY 2022
GS
1 20172 20849 21519 22187 22857 23249 23913 24581 24608 25234
2 22682 23222 23973 24608 24886 25618 26350 27082 27814 28546
3 24749 25574 26399 27224 28049 28874 29699 30524 31349 32174
4 27782 28708 29634 30560 31486 32412 33338 34264 35190 36116
5 31083 32119 33155 34191 35227 36263 37299 38335 39371 40407
6 34649 35804 36959 38114 39269 40424 41579 42734 43889 45044
7 38503 39786 41069 42352 43635 44918 46201 47484 48767 50050
8 42641 44062 45483 46904 48325 49746 51167 52588 54009 55430
9 47097 48667 50237 51807 53377 54947 56517 58087 59657 61227
10 51864 53593 55322 57051 58780 60509 62238 63967 65696 67425
11 56983 58882 60781 62680 64579 66478 68377 70276 72175 74074
13 81216 83923 86630 89337 92044 94751 97458 100165 102872 105579
14 95973 99172 102371 105570 108769 111968 115167 118366 121565 124764
15 112890 116653 120416 124179 127942 131705 135468 139231 142994 146757
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