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Post by Little Miss Sunshine on Sept 18, 2014 11:39:56 GMT -5
Think this might be part of changes coming or maybe a result of an agreement between locals & weather observer?
KHOU 181453Z VRB03KT 2SM +TSRA BR SCT030CB BKN050 OVC070 24/23 A2990 RMK AO2 TSB46 SLP129 TS N MOV NE OCNL LTGIC 8/92/ P0039 60039 T02440233 53008
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Post by atcwx on Sept 18, 2014 11:42:28 GMT -5
I thought LTG remarks go before TS loc??
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Post by atcwx on Sept 18, 2014 12:31:43 GMT -5
I have been following this site since early in the summer. I see much of the site is devoted to showing the errors made by people like myself at "C" sites in doing the weather. The double standard is pretty obvious.
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Post by toofarnorth on Sept 18, 2014 14:09:41 GMT -5
atcwx - We respect the job atc's do as air traffic control. We are told atc doesn't want to do weather - wx is distracting to the atc function. Rural FSS were closed because atc was to busy to do wx and the stations wx function was contracted out in 1994. N ow, FAA mgmt thinks you guys can take over weather again. We are very tired of having to fight to keep our jobs year after year after year. I don't know you or where you serve, so nothing personal... but the job histo2, tornado, and others have been doing showing the shoddy job many atcs do reporting weather is important to showing how foolish it is having atc take over weather reporting - ammo to take to congress. Are we perfect? I would like to say yes, but no one is... In the above example you're complaining about, you are correct - and remarks order is important according to 7900.5c. The goal of the qc on this site is not to pick on anybody personally - our companies have their own qc programs and the senior observer should be bringing that mistake to the appropriate observer. We don't see any improvement in atc wx reporting - the same stations make the same mistakes over and over, often in situations critical to aviation. Where is your qc apart from this forum? Enjoy our forum board, learn from us, and don't take anything personally.
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Post by atcwx on Sept 18, 2014 14:33:26 GMT -5
Nothing personal toofarnorth or to the OP-- my point is why post something totally 180 to the views that make your cause just? I make mistakes at work all the time but would never put others in my field "out" for making the same mistakes.
We have no QC-- I learn (and several others) from this site. That is my point.
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Post by hlsto2 on Sept 19, 2014 0:17:40 GMT -5
all we are trying to show is that the ATCT's are NOT qualified to be professional aviation weather observers. a simple test means nothing without training and experience to go with it. you are rght about the towers having no QC....and it glaringly shows. the towered sites make the same errors year after year after year. they just do not know what they are doing. this is an accident waiting to happen. If you are union I am surprised you have not filed a grievance against the FAA for assigning you a job you are not qualified for.
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Post by tornado on Sept 19, 2014 10:23:10 GMT -5
I have been following this site since early in the summer. I see much of the site is devoted to showing the errors made by people like myself at "C" sites in doing the weather. The double standard is pretty obvious. There can't be a double standard, if one side has no standards. |
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Post by hlsto2 on Sept 19, 2014 10:44:45 GMT -5
I am wondering if NCDC has to clean up the mess made by ATCT's. I have an aquaintance at NCDC. I will send him e-mail and ask.
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Post by hlsto2 on Sept 19, 2014 12:58:09 GMT -5
got a quick answer back from my source at NCDC. "all asos data is machine qced and flags set". in otherwords untouched by human hands. I think NCDC has had their staff cut back and they just don't have the people to do a manual qc. would be interesting to see what flags are set.
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Post by TCU 2U2 on Sept 19, 2014 15:35:55 GMT -5
Here are the flags ...
METAR / SPECI .... check
4 letter ID ... check
Day/Time group good ... check
Winds reported ... check
Visibility reported ... check
Present weather may be reported ... check
Temperature reported ... check
Dew point reported ... check
Altimeter reported ... check
Optional beyond this point, as observation to this point completes required reporting JO 7900 ... next !
And this is how the FAA can (with a straight face) report to the public the following:
[ May 2, 2013 ]
“Air traffic controllers currently provide quality weather observation services at more than 300 airports around the country. The FAA pays contractors to provide those same services at an additional 140 facilities around the country. In an effort to reduce costs without reducing the services or impacting safety, the FAA has been working through a phased plan to train controllers to take over those duties from the contractors."
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Post by thunder on Sept 19, 2014 17:34:27 GMT -5
CWO or ATC?
KMOB 182314Z 31007KT 7SM VCTS RA FEW040 FEW120 BKN200 21/21 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW RAB2257 CB DSNT SW P0001 T02110206
KMOB 182256Z 31003KT 4SM BR FEW030CB SCT070 SCT120 21/21 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW AND W RAE38 TSE17 SLP132 CB SW-W MOV NW P0048 T02110206
KMOB 182252Z 35004KT 4SM BR FEW030CB SCT070 SCT120 21/21 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT SW-NW RAE38 TSE17 CB SW-W MOV NW P0048
KMOB 182218Z 28007KT 2SM +RA BR SCT022 BKN030CB OVC065 21/21 A2992 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT W-N TSE17 PRESFR CB N AND NW MOV NW P0046 T02110206
KMOB 182203Z VRB03KT 2SM +TSRA BR SCT022 BKN030CB OVC065 22/21 A2994 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT N AND NW CB N AND NW MOV NW P0020 T02170206
KMOB 182156Z VRB04KT 8SM -TSRA BKN037CB BKN250 22/20 A2995 RMK AO2 WSHFT 2113 LTG DSNT NW-NE RAB46 TSE02B44 PRESRR SLP138 CB W MOV NW P0009 T02220200
KMOB 182133Z 07019G22KT 8SM VCTS BKN037CB BKN250 25/20 A2990 RMK AO2 WSHFT 2113 LTG DSNT NW-NE TSE02 CB W MOV NW TCU NE VCSH NE T02500200
KMOB 182108Z 16007KT 10SM VCTS BKN037CB BKN250 29/23 A2991 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NW-E TSE02 CB W MOV NW TCU NE VCSH NE T02890228
KMOB 182056Z 16007KT 10SM BKN037CB BKN250 29/23 A2990 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NW-E SLP120 CB W MOV NW TCU NE VCSH N T02890228 56013
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Post by zoomthundersnow on Sept 19, 2014 23:04:10 GMT -5
ALDARS obs. I still have not turned on report processing for that piece of crap!
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Post by zoomthundersnow on Sept 19, 2014 23:41:30 GMT -5
Will we be graded, and is this a test Thunder?
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