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Post by tornado on Apr 15, 2015 10:12:26 GMT -5
While I was in the cab taking my METAR this past hour, I just heard an older controller say to a young controller, "If the pilots have the ATIS, they have the current winds."
To which she replied, "But in the military, we had to issue the winds upon every takeoff and landing."
The older controller, who is near retirement age, said, "That's not a requirement at civilian airports. The only time I'd give them the winds is if the speed or direction is significantly different from the ATIS."
Um, no, if the pilots have the ATIS, they have the winds for the time stamp on the METAR or SPECI; which is not the same as the current winds!  The ATIS winds could be up to 59 minutes old! |
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Post by toofarnorth on Apr 15, 2015 13:37:44 GMT -5
I've got pilots that reject ASOS' one minute delay...
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Post by tornado on Oct 2, 2015 13:02:52 GMT -5
I was just in the tower cab, taking the METAR, when the winds went missing. I studied the wind dials from each end of the runway, and came up with an average wind speed of 7 knots.
Then, I overheard a controller tell a pilot that the winds were calm.
So much for ATC passing accurate real-time wind data to pilots!  |
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Post by toofarnorth on Oct 2, 2015 17:27:15 GMT -5
Sounds like the ATC was what was (too) calm. Or was it an UP (unconscious person)...
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Post by weatherwatcher on Nov 3, 2015 10:19:21 GMT -5
Was up in tower "fixing ASOS" Really logging it in and someone called for weather.
ATC said. "looks like its gonna clear up soon".
They were looking at a precip radar. lol.
Were forecasted to be IFR all day
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Post by skobie on Nov 3, 2015 11:24:43 GMT -5
Great! I feel safe. Seriously, I don't feel safe at all and I'm on the ground.
skobie
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Post by tornado on May 18, 2016 14:25:08 GMT -5
I just heard a controller say, that when they worked at Opa Locka Airport in south Florida years ago, they would copy the sky condition from CWOs at Miami and Ft. Lauderdale; since the airport was about halfway between those other airports, and the runway configurations were the same at all 3. |
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Post by tornado on Apr 13, 2017 13:02:35 GMT -5
I just heard a controller say, that another controller wasn't allowed to sleep in the NATCA office during the day. He claimed that provision was only for the midshifts. She countered that she was allowed to sleep on break any time she felt fatigued, even during the daylight hours. 
I think his objection was based more on his penchant for playing video games during his break.  |
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Post by tornado on Jan 1, 2018 13:41:54 GMT -5
Several times, I've heard controllers say, "High pressure means good weather." Um, not always:
SPECI KBEH 011815Z AUTO VRB04KT 1/2SM SN BKN014 OVC021 M10/M13
A3058 RMK AO2 P0000 T11001133
SPECI KBKL 011831Z 27021G29KT 1 3/4SM -SN SCT022 SCT028 OVC037
M11/M17 A3048 RMK AO2 PK WND 27029/1823 VIS 3/4V5
SNB1757 P0000 T11111167 $
SPECI KCLE 011812Z 27014KT 1/2SM SN VV013 M11/M14 A3050 RMK
AO2 P0000 T11111144 $
SPECI KERI 011812Z 28014G25KT 1/2SM R06/4500VP6000FT SN BKN018
BKN023 OVC035 M11/M14 A3039 RMK AO2 P0000 T11111144
METAR KSBN 011754Z 24014KT 1/2SM R27L/2200V3500FT -SN FZFG
VV011 M16/M18 A3060 RMK AO2 SLP382 P0000 60001
T11611178 11139 21178 50002
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Post by hlsto2 on Jan 2, 2018 1:41:52 GMT -5
Several times, I've heard controllers say, "High pressure means good weather." Um, not always: SPECI KBEH 011815Z AUTO VRB04KT 1/2SM SN BKN014 OVC021 M10/M13 A3058 RMK AO2 P0000 T11001133 SPECI KBKL 011831Z 27021G29KT 1 3/4SM -SN SCT022 SCT028 OVC037 M11/M17 A3048 RMK AO2 PK WND 27029/1823 VIS 3/4V5 SNB1757 P0000 T11111167 $ SPECI KCLE 011812Z 27014KT 1/2SM SN VV013 M11/M14 A3050 RMK AO2 P0000 T11111144 $ SPECI KERI 011812Z 28014G25KT 1/2SM R06/4500VP6000FT SN BKN018 BKN023 OVC035 M11/M14 A3039 RMK AO2 P0000 T11111144 METAR KSBN 011754Z 24014KT 1/2SM R27L/2200V3500FT -SN FZFG
VV011 M16/M18 A3060 RMK AO2 SLP382 P0000 60001 T11611178 11139 21178 50002 obstrollers should stick to what they know...talking to pilots |
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Post by hlsto2 on Jan 2, 2018 1:51:35 GMT -5
in this case..high pressure meant freezing drizzle and mist...
KAFW 311916Z 36015KT 3SM -FZDZ BR BKN010 OVC013 M04/M06 A3049 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 5 CIG 007V012 P0000 I1000 T10441056 $
KAFW 311853Z 35017KT 3SM -FZDZ BR OVC008 M04/M06 A3049 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 4 CIG 006V013 SLP342 P0000 I1002 T10391056 $
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Post by tornado on Jan 10, 2018 11:33:16 GMT -5
Sometimes, the controllers in the tower cab listen in to other frequencies, and put it on speaker so that the other controllers can hear it. I overhead a center controller tell a pilot heading to a small airport, "We have no weather or landing conditions available for that airport." I immediately checked ADDS/TAFS and found a 10-minute old METAR for the small airport. If I could find it quickly, why couldn't the center controller do so? |
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Post by hlsto2 on Jan 10, 2018 11:47:22 GMT -5
Sometimes, the controllers in the tower cab listen in to other frequencies, and put it on speaker so that the other controllers can hear it. I overhead a center controller tell a pilot heading to a small airport, "We have no weather or landing conditions available for that airport." I immediately checked ADDS/TAFS and found a 10-minute old METAR for the small airport. If I could find it quickly, why couldn't the center controller do so? obstroller probably didn't knoiw the stn id. |
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Post by skobie on Jan 10, 2018 13:23:19 GMT -5
Must have not heard of this new thing called the "INTERNET".....
skobie
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Post by hlsto2 on Jan 10, 2018 14:30:18 GMT -5
Must have not heard of this new thing called the "INTERNET"..... skobie ASOS/AWOS is a mystery to LAWRS ...internet probably more so |
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The ATIS winds could be up to 59 minutes old! 
