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Post by hokiefan on Feb 17, 2016 15:41:29 GMT -5
I just received an email from our local ASOS tech denying my request for 2 days of edit log data from 2/8 and 2/9. He stated, "I must remain neutral and not provide information to either party that would be used to support their agenda."
Fortunately, he did respond favorably to my last request in January, but he must have received a visit from men in black suits after that.
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Post by alstein on Feb 17, 2016 15:49:26 GMT -5
I think you can FOIA request that, and I'd contact your congressman over it.
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Post by weatherwatcher on Feb 22, 2016 9:47:52 GMT -5
I requested that info last month. I have always had a good relationship with the NWS tech and he said he would get it for me.
I have NOT received it as of yet.
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Post by skobie on Feb 22, 2016 10:38:43 GMT -5
Requesting edit log data has nothing to do with agendas. It has to do with burden of proof or preponderance of the evidence. Would the FAA be denied that request also. I think not. I'm quite sure that can be FOIAd.
skobie
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Post by hokiefan on Feb 22, 2016 11:12:02 GMT -5
Since the data was still available for me to view on the OID, I was just hoping they would make my life a little easier. Instead, I had to take 17 photos with my phone, and use a crap load of printer ink. Maybe next time they'll figure out a way to put more limits on the data we can access from the OID. Other than ISP, have there been any other positive contributions from the NWS?
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Post by weatherwatcher on Feb 22, 2016 11:30:54 GMT -5
I spoke to the NWS manager here a cpl months ago. He was not aware of the proposal. He thought it was ludicrous. He has an invite to our SRMP and I will speak to him before.
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Post by hlsto2 on Feb 22, 2016 12:24:21 GMT -5
don't be surprised if nws region hears about it and tells him to back off and not go. at our meeting, the SWO was allowed to attend and say a few words, but the atc supervisors said they were good to go with lawrs, and they can just get the weather either from inbound or outbound aircraft. the airport manager was the only "civilian" that attended. local NWS office is aware but were not concerned enough to show up. there is a hub for a large shipper here, but none of them came, and the company is too busy to write the FAA and support our CWO. we have an office in the shippers building. they moved us awhile back and we are now in the middle of their smoking area. anytime it is cold, windy, or raining, the smokers block our exit door, so we have to go half way around a large building to get outside. the company has been made aware of our situation several times since september, but refuse to move the smokers. the smoke comes thru our door and seeps thru the windows. smells like a filthy ashtray around here at times. sorry. I drifted off subject. anyway, since there was no pushback againt the FAA firing us, except from our CWO,it doesn't look good. we can only hope the FAA cancels the whole idea.
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Post by weatherwatcher on Mar 3, 2016 7:37:44 GMT -5
NWS manager did not attend our SRM. I called him the day before to ensure his attendance and he said he would not.
I then requested the edit data log. He said he would not be able to provide it.
We had a 5 hour total power outage a few days ago. We were going to still do our obs by sending them on a smart phone via AISR.
I called to give NWS a heads up that an observer would be calling them that night for a few elements of the observation. The forecaster said no problem. We have assisted each other in the past.
I received a phone call 15 minutes later informing me that per their "directive" they would not be able to assist us with ANY info whatsoever.
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Post by TCU 2U2 on Mar 3, 2016 8:54:34 GMT -5
NWS manager did not attend our SRM. I called him the day before to ensure his attendance and he said he would not. I then requested the edit data log. He said he would not be able to provide it. We had a 5 hour total power outage a few days ago. We were going to still do our obs by sending them on a smart phone via AISR. I called to give NWS a heads up that an observer would be calling them that night for a few elements of the observation. The forecaster said no problem. We have assisted each other in the past. I received a phone call 15 minutes later informing me that per their "directive" they would not be able to assist us with ANY info whatsoever. May I ask what few elements ? |
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Post by weatherwatcher on Mar 3, 2016 9:35:53 GMT -5
altimeter, winds
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Post by TCU 2U2 on Mar 3, 2016 10:31:38 GMT -5
Ok, so your NWS office acts as your backup since they are situated close enough to provide readings. |
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Post by weatherwatcher on Mar 3, 2016 10:42:09 GMT -5
I guess it has never been official. Not a big deal. Its a rare situation where we have a total and complete power outage and would need any assistance. They have always been cooperative in the past and I thought it was strange how quickly things changed.
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Post by hokiefan on Mar 3, 2016 11:06:42 GMT -5
Perhaps, CWOs should stop assisting the NWS with snow data, and make sure Congress is aware of their supposed responsibilities in quality control of the LAWRS observations.
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Post by weatherwatcher on Mar 3, 2016 11:18:11 GMT -5
I dont know about the rest of you but we reset the twrs ASOS almost on a weekly basis for them. We do this because we are team players. It is the NWS responsibility though. We have done it to help out the tech and because it takes only a few minutes. Its always been my feeling that we (aviation community) need to have equipment working properly. Ironically the day after I was denied the assistance the twr ASOS froze up. LOL. I went by the book and notified NWS. They never showed up. I waited a cpl hours and then reset it. If the ATC had been responsible for obs there wouldnt have been any. Just like a number of the sites we see on this page. I am now keeping a log of these occurrences.
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Post by tamrich on Apr 10, 2016 12:34:30 GMT -5
About the Edit Log data. I once looked into trying to obtain some Edit Log data and talked with a guy at NCDC (now NCEI), whose job it was to download the data from over 900 ASOS's, and he told me the only log that is downloaded, in addition to the data, is the System Log. Edit Logs are not downloaded (my understanding is if they are not downloaded they are unavailable to anyone). Not sure if FOIA would make a difference if data is not downloaded. -tamrich-
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