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Post by wedthered on Apr 11, 2013 18:22:56 GMT -5
I'm surprised there was no clause in the MOU saying that the ATC's don't have to use their real initials when logged into the OID. Maybe an addendum will be coming shortly.
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Post by foobar on Apr 12, 2013 2:23:55 GMT -5
nothing surprises me about this. KYNG has been moved from service level B to C and KCAK has gone from A to C. Both sites will be closing May 1st and none of the controllers are even LAWRS certified yet. This doesn't bother NATCA in the least and it certainly doesn't bother the FAA.
On April 30th and May 1st, controllers will shadow the observers in both weather stations on all three shifts each day and that will be the sum and substance of their training. Again, none of them are certified, yet they will be taking over on midnight May 1st.
This is no rumor. This is our jobs.
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Post by artension on Apr 12, 2013 5:39:56 GMT -5
Same thing happening at my site, foobar. And, no suprise, a few of us can't work on those days...something has come up.....
Lots of talk about the future of the CWO's that may or may not close this summer, and rightfully so. Not so much discussion about the sudden SOP change that is forcing sites like yours and mine to close May 1st, and how that change came about likely without the approval of the originating agencies, (as required by FAA's own regs) aside from FAA. I believe fighting the legality of that is our only hope, and it is fading fast.
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Post by fu on Apr 12, 2013 6:04:57 GMT -5
We first began discussing those sites back in Jan in the thread called FAA revises service standards and unfortunately my source turned out to be correct. Artension do you remember when your site received official notification of the closing from either the FAA or your contractor?
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Post by artension on Apr 12, 2013 7:31:38 GMT -5
fu, we received an email from our contractor on Jan. 31st.
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Post by fu on Apr 12, 2013 8:11:52 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by jimtheweatherguy on Apr 12, 2013 11:34:45 GMT -5
The Agency shall provide a list of those stations that are transferring to the LAWRS program? That means (as of April 8) it wasn't a complete shut down of the CWO's. We already know that 18 CWO's are to be closed and there is talk of another 20 on the block. They decided not to close all contract towers during this season of bloodletting and I am thinking they will not axe all the CWO's this year either. CWO's will go the way of the 8-track player eventually but it may be another year or two down the road.
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Post by fu on Apr 12, 2013 11:53:51 GMT -5
One of the contract tower companies believes NATCA signed the MOU in exchange for the removal of a couple dozen FAA towers from that closure list.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 12:01:43 GMT -5
That wouldn't be much of a surprise. It's the tower closures that have gotten all of the attention. That would make the FAA look like they've done good by sparing a bunch of towers while the almost unheard of CWO program is obliterated with very few knowing it ever existed. Would be nice if we made the local news every night, and CNN, and...
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Post by stardustwx on Apr 12, 2013 13:37:44 GMT -5
Here we go again with yet another unsubtantiated document? That's got to be the shortest, easiest-to-read legal document I ever saw come out of a government office (edit: I googled up some others that are pretty much the same format, so maybe not all gov docs need a lawyer to interpret). Not saying real or not, but wondering where it came from. I asked one of our tower people if he could verify any of the named NATCA people that signed that document and he could identify at least two. So it seems it is legit. |
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Post by fu on Apr 12, 2013 13:40:28 GMT -5
Here we go again with yet another unsubtantiated document? That's got to be the shortest, easiest-to-read legal document I ever saw come out of a government office (edit: I googled up some others that are pretty much the same format, so maybe not all gov docs need a lawyer to interpret). Not saying real or not, but wondering where it came from. I asked one of our tower people if he could verify any of the named NATCA people that signed that document and he could identify at least two. So it seems it is legit. Check the fonts! |
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Post by atlwxguy on Apr 12, 2013 13:42:22 GMT -5
Hellow Everyone I GOT OFFICIAL WORD TODAY THAT THE FAA IS ATTEMPTING TO ELIMINTE THE WHOLE PROGRAM ATLANTA ALSO. WE HAVE TO FIGHT THEM AND PREVAIL. The dates on the list are unrealistic due to fourloughs so they will be re issuing a new update with more realistic closure dates. The list that came out from NATCAA WILL BE THE GENERAL PROCEDURE THEY WILL FOLLOW.
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Post by fu on Apr 12, 2013 13:59:59 GMT -5
FAA COO has been the one behind the push to shut down the program. He still has not signed off onthe plan due to several concerns that have come up, both operational and political. The last group is going to be very difficult to close.
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Post by fu on Apr 12, 2013 15:12:44 GMT -5
The dates on the list are unrealistic due to fourloughs so they will be re issuing a new update with more realistic closure dates. The list that came out from NATCAA WILL BE THE GENERAL PROCEDURE THEY WILL FOLLOW. At least a one month delay on the transition dates. |
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Post by wxstorm on Apr 12, 2013 15:36:22 GMT -5
I thought AtlWxguy said a couple of weeks ago, that all of this was a scare tactic by the FAA ? That level A's with BWO>3 was safe. Did I misunderstand. Now he says we are All going to be gone. Which is it ? Is the FAA changing their minds everyday.
I have been out of the loop for awhile on this site. What exactly is a "MOU" ? And finally, are we dead in the water or not ? What is the best guess right now concerning the CWO program as of today, April 12th ?
I apologize for not following the recent occurrances. Thanks.
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