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Feb 5, 2013 16:33:24 GMT -5
Post by stardustwx on Feb 5, 2013 16:33:24 GMT -5
I agree...most of the information on this site (or the old boards) has panned out. The only big question is will the program stay in place for at least level A sites? That is still in the air. However, it is my understanding that the contracts were indeed "awarded" but delayed due to bid protests and nothing more (heard from a contractor which I will not name). So all we are left to do is read tea leaves and use our past experiences. The program is ALWAYS threatened but those that are in "power" don't seem to look at the bottom line. This program is essential to passenger safety AND the cost is minimal if put in perspective. There is enormous waste in the FAA and IMO that is where the "cuts" should start. Just sayin....
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Feb 5, 2013 17:38:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 17:38:48 GMT -5
I would say they are NOT awarded based on the following:
Good afternoon:
The FAA is still in the process of making a decision on the CWO competitive procurement as the contracts have not yet been signed and therefore are not yet awarded. As a result, the FAA is postponing the paper debriefs NLT March 31, 2013.
Thank you.
Kathie Petito-Peverall, Contracting Officer, AAQ-230 Facilities & Flight Services Contracts Branch Terminal & EnRoute Contracts Division Office : (202)385-8591 Fax : (202) 493-4612
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Feb 5, 2013 19:27:14 GMT -5
Post by stardustwx on Feb 5, 2013 19:27:14 GMT -5
thank you tsohd! Good to know
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Feb 7, 2013 11:44:00 GMT -5
Post by coldlover on Feb 7, 2013 11:44:00 GMT -5
As far as technically being "awarded",, I have no clue-- but if a signature is all that is required-- after the rebuttal meeting- it's a done deal. A re-bid is unlikely due to the fact that competing contractors will know what the winning bid price was from what was released in Dec 2012. Also,, if any blame can be attributed to the delay in the awards on the part of the FAA-- it's unfair to penalize a winning contractor by going through the process once again.
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Feb 7, 2013 14:35:35 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 14:35:35 GMT -5
it's unfair to penalize a winning contractor by going through the process once again. So how would it be fair to award the contracts knowing that at least some of the groups would have been won because of mistakes made by the FAA? How about applying this logic to buying a Powerball ticket. Say the lottery officials screw up and call it a 9 even though it was a 6. You are the true winner of the lottery but they say "yep, we made a mistake, you should have won but tough luck." Fair? Not in the slightest and neither is the FAA awarding contracts because of serious mistakes they made during the bid process. My point is, the winning contractors are not really "winning contractors." Not a chance the awards stand as is.
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Feb 7, 2013 15:08:47 GMT -5
Post by fu on Feb 7, 2013 15:08:47 GMT -5
The way the awards were done if there was a problem in one or two of the groups it would affect the awarding of all the groups. I hear there are questions about 12 of the groups awarded.
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Feb 7, 2013 15:27:54 GMT -5
Post by coldlover on Feb 7, 2013 15:27:54 GMT -5
I guess I have should've stated "penalize a winning contractor (that has proven legit) from going through the process again. That's up to the FAA and others to decide. Your argument,, if you choose so, then becomes a classic "straw man" argument-- a total misrepresentation of of my quote, to make your point of view relevant without displacing mine.
"Winning contractors" are no more winning awards then lawyers not running the country.
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Feb 7, 2013 20:42:15 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 20:42:15 GMT -5
I guess I have should've stated "penalize a winning contractor (that has proven legit) from going through the process again. That's up to the FAA and others to decide. Your argument,, if you choose so, then becomes a classic "straw man" argument-- a total misrepresentation of of my quote, to make your point of view relevant without displacing mine. "Winning contractors" are no more winning awards then lawyers not running the country. What you're saying is that it would be unfair to re-bid everything because everyone has the winning prices. True that everyone has the winning prices but with what wages were those prices bid with? Who knows as the wages supplied were all over the place. It would really be just a guess as one company may have been provided with 2009 wages while another was provided with 2012 wages. How can the winning amount be accurately analyzed? So that's really irrelevant when considering a re-bid as it would not be known what wages they used to bid. Your second point was that it would penalize the apparent winners. They shouldn't have won to begin with and it penalizes all bidders, not just the apparent winners. Everyone has to put the same effort in to re-bid everything. What it really comes down to is, do you believe the companies that were awarded (although not yet actually awarded) groups based on mistakes should be allowed to keep their awards knowing the process was flawed? The fact is, there were serious mistakes made by the FAA and it affects every company. Just because some benefited from the mistakes does not mean others should "penalized."
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Feb 8, 2013 15:40:58 GMT -5
Post by thunderstruck41 on Feb 8, 2013 15:40:58 GMT -5
I have ground truth from one of the sites that did go part time 2/1 Not only have some locations gone to part time, but several have been closed. Many of these locations are Unionized, and they have been told that their is nothing the Unions can do. I don't know what people are going to do.
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Feb 8, 2013 16:16:49 GMT -5
Post by kcfan on Feb 8, 2013 16:16:49 GMT -5
The union has no control over the FAA's decision to close or not to close a site. In fact, financially it makes more sense to close a union site due to the associated higher cost. If you were an employer would you rather pay $35 or $30 per hour for the same services? I mean, it only makes sense. Some will take that as a personal jab toward unions, but it is not meant to be so. I'm not anti-union, just stating a fact. But the fact a site is union or not has nothing to do with Service Level ratings which is ultimately what determines whether it is closed or not. My bigger concern is the overall cost it is causing to the CWO entire program. This could ultimately impact whether the FAA can afford to have any CWO's. I personally would rather still have a job at lets say $28 per hour rather than a couple more years at $35. Just my humble opinion. My main point is that unions have no control over what sites get closed and which sites remain open.
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Feb 8, 2013 17:29:27 GMT -5
Post by fu on Feb 8, 2013 17:29:27 GMT -5
I have ground truth from one of the sites that did go part time 2/1 Not only have some locations gone to part time, but several have been closed. Many of these locations are Unionized, and they have been told that their is nothing the Unions can do. I don't know what people are going to do. What parties are the CBA's between?
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Feb 8, 2013 18:35:13 GMT -5
Post by kukblue1 on Feb 8, 2013 18:35:13 GMT -5
So what stations closed?
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Feb 8, 2013 18:37:45 GMT -5
Post by fu on Feb 8, 2013 18:37:45 GMT -5
None yet.
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Feb 8, 2013 18:39:02 GMT -5
Post by kukblue1 on Feb 8, 2013 18:39:02 GMT -5
Just the 16 that are due on the 1st of May correct.
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Feb 8, 2013 18:40:25 GMT -5
Post by fu on Feb 8, 2013 18:40:25 GMT -5
Yep. Is it 16 now, I thought it was 14?
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