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Feb 8, 2013 23:51:38 GMT -5
Post by stardustwx on Feb 8, 2013 23:51:38 GMT -5
If you're at an A level site, I wouldn't worry too much.
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Feb 11, 2013 10:11:15 GMT -5
Post by thunderstruck41 on Feb 11, 2013 10:11:15 GMT -5
April 1ST. Several are closing. And as for what the Union can and cannot do is a question. You see the Union dues that people pay every pay period are supposed to be used for such things as lobbyiest to represent their members on such thing and to fight for them. Obviously, thay aren't. I do not belong to a union nor do I wish to. The simple truth is that the Unions have priced these people out of a job.
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Feb 11, 2013 10:13:35 GMT -5
Post by kukblue1 on Feb 11, 2013 10:13:35 GMT -5
Is it May 1st or April 1st these sites are closing? Or are there different sites closing then the ones listed?
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Feb 11, 2013 14:06:21 GMT -5
Post by skobie on Feb 11, 2013 14:06:21 GMT -5
To Whom It May Concern,
If it wasn't for the Union lobbyists, none of us would have a job now. Who do you think was talking for you in Congress the last time our jobs were threatened? Did you even know that the weather observing program has been threatened to be shut down completely several times in the last few years? In fact, people like you non-paying dues members or non-Union sites are just, once again, living high on the hog without paying your dues (figuratively and literally). Get a different job if you don't like Unions and your site is already organized (or lobby yourself to receive what is only in the Wage Determination). Or quit complaining about Unions if your site is currently non-Union as you're getting what you want.....the government to tell you what they think you should get in their infinite wisdom. Unions are the backbone of what this country was built on. And you're on the wrong thread to display your anti-Union babble in the first place and probably on the wrong message board since 70-80% of the sites are Union.
skobie
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Feb 11, 2013 15:40:37 GMT -5
Post by fu on Feb 11, 2013 15:40:37 GMT -5
The simple truth is that the Unions have priced these people out of a job. Of the 14 sites closing how many are non union sites? Is the wage determination pricing those people out of a job? |
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Feb 13, 2013 14:34:10 GMT -5
Post by thunderstruck41 on Feb 13, 2013 14:34:10 GMT -5
I encourage you to find out the number of Lobbyist that PATCO has. I have it Zero.
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Feb 13, 2013 14:37:32 GMT -5
Post by thunderstruck41 on Feb 13, 2013 14:37:32 GMT -5
The majority of them are in fact unionized. Like I said before, it is characteristic of people not to concern themselves with such things until it directly affects them. But please carry on within your dream world and keep whispering to yourself that it is not going to happen to you.
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Feb 13, 2013 15:47:45 GMT -5
Post by fu on Feb 13, 2013 15:47:45 GMT -5
^^
Still avoiding answering the questions I see.
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Feb 13, 2013 18:20:03 GMT -5
Post by kcfan on Feb 13, 2013 18:20:03 GMT -5
I personally don't believe the closure of the airports had anything to do with whether a site was union or not. It was completely Service Level driven. I do believe however that the overall cost of the contract may ultimately be the reason they are changing formulas around so they can shut down some of the lower scoring sites. I'd be very surprised if they do not continue the trend as funding gets more and more difficult. Common sense, safety of flight, and other concerns will become less and less factors as money gets pulled from the table. Just my 2 cents.
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Feb 13, 2013 18:40:19 GMT -5
Post by fu on Feb 13, 2013 18:40:19 GMT -5
Of course it doesn't. If the FAA was so concerned about what they are paying to run these sites they would award them to the lowest priced qualified bidder. They say that that is what they do but when they limit the awards a company can receive to two this is not true. Suppose one company is the low bidder on all 20 groups...they get 2 groups...the next lowest bidder gets 2 groups...continue on until you get to groups 19 and 20 and you could be talking about the 9th lowest bidder getting these groups.
It doesn't sound like they are too concerned about the costs to me
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Feb 13, 2013 21:33:31 GMT -5
Post by wxlover on Feb 13, 2013 21:33:31 GMT -5
The FAA is only concerned with costs now because of sequester. They need to slash so much that they will make short term decisions that could have long term adverse impacts. I would not be surprised if the sites they are closing April 1 come back next year if the budget gets fixed, all they have to do is ass back the tie breaker service level criteria. Unfortunately the professionals at those 15 sites suffer.
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Feb 13, 2013 23:06:15 GMT -5
Post by artension on Feb 13, 2013 23:06:15 GMT -5
Once again, April 1st date showing up on these boards. We were told, both verbally and through written means, that we would close May 1st, not April 1st, along with 13 other stations. Where is the April 1st date coming from? I realize the new contracts may be starting on that date, but May 1st is the "decommissioning" date, apparently in order to give ATC 90 days notice of their new observing duties. Would really appreciate some clarification/proof if you know otherwise.
And about coming back next year....not gonna happen.
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Feb 14, 2013 0:07:26 GMT -5
Post by hokiefan on Feb 14, 2013 0:07:26 GMT -5
I talked with a CWO Program Manager yesterday, and he confirmed the May 1st date. I think it might be best to discount the emotional diatribe from one particular member of this forum.
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Feb 14, 2013 0:40:39 GMT -5
Post by fu on Feb 14, 2013 0:40:39 GMT -5
I think it might be best to discount the emotional diatribe from one particular member of this forum. Has anything she's posted been correct? The board needs an ignore feature! |
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Feb 14, 2013 10:19:05 GMT -5
Post by skobie on Feb 14, 2013 10:19:05 GMT -5
I vote for censure. Now that's a democracy.
skobie
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