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Post by swifterz on May 11, 2016 15:32:35 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with Sam. Yes he IS busy... He said he has been in contact with the south Florida U.S. congressional delegation who are on our side. PATCO has been in contact with other congress people, but his own representatives have been very receptive. Jerry Tuso has been lobbying on our behalf as well Sam said. If any of us haven't, call your congressman and senators and if you have already, please keep calling. Get your local and regional and national user groups informed and involved lobbying congress on our behalf. Stress SAFETY. Keep up the good work. Sam encourages all this, not just me. Not time to bail on PATCO yet. I'll be contacting Sam again soon and may report here with possibly more info. Can we really believe anything Sam or Jerry say at this time? I want everything you wrote to be true (also hope it is true), but I also somehow want solid proof they are doing what they say they are doing (which may be difficult to do, since its just networking and talking to the right people). As Rich said, why can't they get this info out to the members without us prodding them to provide it, and then having to wait forever for that information. I know de-certifying a union is alot of hard work, and it wouldn't be needed if PATCO would be more open with us about what exactly they are doing with our dues besides CBA negotiations and job security by being in the union. Hell I can't remember the last newsletter I got. That's something which should be pretty darn easy to do, since its supposed to be quarterly. Just show us that you're working for us and I think most complaints about PATCO would go away. They do afford us quite a few nice benefits.
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Post by coldairfunnel on May 11, 2016 23:58:08 GMT -5
I think Sam is just blowing smoke. If he and Jerry was actually doing what he says they would have told us outright. We all know they read the posts in this forum and have to be aware of all the bashing of the Union we have been making for quite some time. One would think that when we started complaining about them they would have immediately fired out an email apologizing for not keeping us informed and promise to start sending us timely correspondence on what they are doing on our behalf. I don't believe a word he said.....Show me some proof and I will gladly eat my words....
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Post by coldlover on May 12, 2016 1:05:26 GMT -5
I think Sam is just blowing smoke. If he and Jerry was actually doing what he says they would have told us outright. We all know they read the posts in this forum and have to be aware of all the bashing of the Union we have been making for quite some time. One would think that when we started complaining about them they would have immediately fired out an email apologizing for not keeping us informed and promise to start sending us timely correspondence on what they are doing on our behalf. I don't believe a word he said.....Show me some proof and I will gladly eat my words.... +1 This Saturday marks one year since the plan of closing the "57" was released. Since then-- our station, a site in the 57- has not received one form of any communication from Sam or Jerry. Not even a pep talk that many sites got before their SRMP. That in itself is a huge red flag.
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Post by weatherwatcher on May 12, 2016 13:13:54 GMT -5
Its hard to believe I started this thread on Oct 29, 2015. I really thought they would see it and start giving us some feedback.
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Post by toofarnorth on May 12, 2016 13:46:38 GMT -5
Stand by... he will talk to some folks about what to say. I will report what Sam says to me by mutual agreement. We need to keep reaching out to them - WE are the union - Sam is just chief organizer and Jerry a consultant. It HAS been a year since we've had a newsletter - and did we challenge everything said in those? (There was one of us who challenged everything Jerry said or did... it appears out of hate/spite.) I agree that Sam needs to be more communicative, and I'm trying to facilitate that. Nothing in our CBA demands the union lobby congress on our behalf... or even send out newsletters... but it IS in their interest to do so. Trust is something we're just going to have to extend - they have a financial interest in keeping the FAACWO program in place and no interest at all in seeing us go down. So let's at least extend some grace while trying to pry info out of them. Are they ripping us off? I don't think so - the CBAs and the wages are worth our dues by themselves. ALL of us should be lobbying. Anyone have NATCA contacts? - they should be persuaded to be on our side too.
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Post by rich on May 12, 2016 13:54:59 GMT -5
Stand by... he will talk to some folks about what to say. I will report what Sam says to me by mutual agreement. No offense to you toofarnorth but that sounds ridiculous. Can we vote this useless schmuck Sam out?
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Post by toofarnorth on May 12, 2016 14:28:53 GMT -5
You have someone in mind to replace him, rich? Ridiculous appearance comes from ignorance - I was asked not to divulge too much. I sympathize with the impression y'all have from the lack of communication, but the answer will not be found in continued bashing the union - have you tried to call Sam? Only the entitlement mentality thinks someone else should be doing what we bear the responsibility to do - be grateful for the help we do get from the union lobbying.
I don't know what Sam's term is, but he has to face election sometime.
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Post by zoomthundersnow on May 12, 2016 14:47:27 GMT -5
I went through the SRMP process, I had a great deal of help to prepare for, none of the help came from Sam or PATCO in the latest battle.
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Post by rich on May 12, 2016 14:50:48 GMT -5
You have someone in mind to replace him, rich? Ridiculous appearance comes from ignorance - I was asked not to divulge too much. I sympathize with the impression y'all have from the lack of communication, but the answer will not be found in continued bashing the union - have you tried to call Sam? Only the entitlement mentality thinks someone else should be doing what we bear the responsibility to do - be grateful for the help we do get from the union lobbying. I don't know what Sam's term is, but he has to face election sometime. Who's bashing the union? I said that Sam is useless, I don't think anyone that has been paying attention to what's been going on since he replaced Jerry can dispute that. If I remember correctly it was Sam that claimed that PATCO would have a lobbyist at the last SRMP in DC last year. What was that all about? BTW if I was bashing the union I would recommend that PATCO sites that are in right to work states have some of the members resign from PATCO and stop paying their salaries with your dues. For sites in RTW states as long as a majority of the staff is in PATCO you're covered by the CBA. So if your site had 3 FT'ers and 5 PT'ers the 3 FT'ers could resign and PATCO wouldn't get 6 hrs of dues each month but all the workers would get the CBA wages and benefits.
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Post by rich on May 12, 2016 15:11:26 GMT -5
Only the entitlement mentality thinks someone else should be doing what we bear the responsibility to do - be grateful for the help we do get from the union lobbying. If PATCO didn't charge dues and claim to have lobbyists working on it's members behalf that sentence would work. It doesn't work when members are paying them dues every two weeks and get no answers when they ask questions about what is going on.
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Post by coldlover on May 12, 2016 15:55:12 GMT -5
Stand by... he will talk to some folks about what to say. I will report what Sam says to me by mutual agreement. We need to keep reaching out to them - WE are the union.
I am done standing by. Why does Sam talk to some folks when WE are the Union? Let's see some proof that Patco has lobbyists, rather then some "delegation" from S Fl. Maybe if Patco gave us names of who they have lobbying on our behalf we could reach out to them ( like many have done on here with Congressional Reps etc and we could develop a working relationship with them (again as many on here have done). The reason? Patco has no lobbyists, has done nothing like they say and is just trying to keep Peter from telling Paul that Patco is helpless in saving our jobs and if it were not for the coalition, the FAA would get its wish. Stop the lying Patco,,or divulge your sources in the lobbying/ pushback effort.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 16:02:38 GMT -5
Stand by... he will talk to some folks about what to say. I will report what Sam says to me by mutual agreement. We need to keep reaching out to them - WE are the union. I am done standing by. Why does Sam talk to some folks when WE are the Union? Let's see some proof that Patco has lobbyists, rather then some "delegation" from S Fl. Maybe if Patco gave us names of who they have lobbying on our behalf we could reach out to them ( like many have done on here with Congressional Reps etc and we could develop a working relationship with them (again as many on here have done). The reason? Patco has no lobbyists, has done nothing like they say and is just trying to keep Peter from telling Paul that Patco is helpless in saving our jobs and if it were not for the coalition, the FAA would get its wish. Stop the lying Patco,,or divulge your sources in the lobbying/ pushback effort. Yes 10-4 on that Cold, If PATCO is on the up they would want to pass information updates along to Union members. they are not talking maybe because they know we don't want to hear what is really going on or not.
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Post by coldairfunnel on May 12, 2016 17:16:28 GMT -5
Everyone knows that Sam reads this forum. Why doesn't he just join the forum and keep us informed that way. There is just absolutely no excuse for not keeping the entire membership informed instead of just talking to a few? And, toofarnorth....are you really Sam?
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Post by rich on May 12, 2016 17:48:36 GMT -5
Here's Sam... .
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Post by coldairfunnel on May 12, 2016 20:36:33 GMT -5
I was just being sarcastic...lol. Sorry toofarnorth. Sometimes I open my mouth before engaging my brain...Thanks for the photo rich....
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