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Post by sluroots on Feb 7, 2013 16:16:03 GMT -5
Nice to see another person thinking the same way I do Thunderstruck41! Good luck even getting through our viewpoints to the union members on this site though.
I agree with her though...what are all you union members doing to help yourselves? Are you making noise with PATCO/your union? Or just rambling here? If you're so worried about the job you have, are you looking for other employment yet? Or do you expect your union to find you another job if/when they shut down the program (which obviously, I hope they don't).
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Post by hlsto2 on Feb 7, 2013 18:34:00 GMT -5
why would you care about what union members might or might not be doing? don't worry...your viewpoints are loud and clear.
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Post by skobie on Feb 8, 2013 11:44:32 GMT -5
And why is it always "the Union" doing something (or not) for its people? The Union is made up OF the people. It is NOT a separate entity. Your Union, therefore, does not do things for you, you do things for yourself and the greater good of your Union. And I repeat what I said before in that it's ironic that people who are anti-union (and uninformed IMO) are usually the same people that hate it when the government run things, yet they're willing to let the government run things with its Wage Determination rather than taking matters into their own hands by forming a Union site. If there's any reason to form a Union, it especially makes sense in this particular job. It's just too bad that some are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face because they just want to be anti-something without fully understanding the facts. Good luck as well and I sure as heck hope that their is legislation passed in these Right To Work states that says if you're not a Union dues-paying member, then you get the Wage Determination. That's only fair.
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Post by sky on Feb 8, 2013 13:09:11 GMT -5
Skobie..I'm right there with you...that they pay dues or at least the same amount in a service fee. At some stations it is in the CBA, non dues paying members are required to pay a fee in equal to that of the current wage at the station monthly to the union or to a local charity...
One sure fire way to beat these guys at their own crazy anti-union game is at the first of June..write up a clause to the effect that all employees at your wx station will be required to join the union within lets say--within 30 days of employment for new employees, 1 hr. wage for part-timers, 2 hrs wage for full timers..or pay same to a local charity...and recieve no benefits of any kind that a union member enjoys and pays for. They get no raises, nothing..only what wage determination gives them. And in that clause, also current employees must join the union, or have a option to pay the service fee as well. Put something together..THEN....take a vote of all employees in your station...AND NOW... ONLY---- CURRENT DUES PAYING MEMBERS CAN VOTE ON IT...that will get their goat...NON-Union members can't vote on it...at all!! And with a 51% YES Vote...you can present the article to Jerry to negoiate for you. The good thing about this..is that the contractor really doesn't have anything at all to loose...they are already negoiating with the union on other members behalf anyway...it is praticatly a done deal... PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER..start now.. And at the same time...go over your current CBA and ask everyone if there is anything else they would like to see in your CBA...
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Post by thunderstruck41 on Feb 8, 2013 15:26:07 GMT -5
I can tell you for a fact that they are not. I make no joke of such matters. Check and see for yourself.
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Post by fu on Feb 8, 2013 17:16:11 GMT -5
^^
Still babbling? I'll ask you again, why do you care about what the union is doing given your already discussed position?
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Post by stardustwx on Feb 8, 2013 17:38:41 GMT -5
The union can't do anything about the FAA's decision to close/modify sites. One caveat in all CBA's is that the employer has the right to conduct their business and that would include the FAA. Speaking as a union member, the only thing I've seen them do for us is get increased wages rather than wage determination. Eventually, unions price the employees out of a job. At this point, I'd rather have a job. Just sayin...
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Post by fu on Feb 8, 2013 17:46:20 GMT -5
^^ PATCO and the contractors come to an agreement on what wages and benefits each employee will receive. The contractors then take these agreements to the FAA contract office for approval, if the FAA can't afford it they don't approve it.
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Post by sluroots on Feb 8, 2013 19:10:04 GMT -5
I find it quite ironic and comical that it has taken the few of us anti-union folks to band together the pro-union folks to organize and try and change this policy. That was my original point of argument in the first place. Why not fight for yourself instead of letting others do it. Obviously, to many of you, you are being treated unfairly by us "moochers". Good luck with your quest, I don't think it is going to happen. Then again, I could be wrong, b/c the government is and continues to take away rights annually, so we'll see what happens.
I also agree with stardustwx, the unions may in fact cost you and I are jobs and I would rather have a job than no job, but by god I will fight harder and louder for my job than any group of people (your union of co-workers). And if this line of work discontinues (which I find HIGHLY unlikely, so stop worrying), I will be ready and prepared more than I think others to negotiate for another job since I don't sit back and let others do the fighting. Just my .02 cents which the majority disagree with on here, which is your right as well (not taking that away like some of you want to take my right away to choose not be a union member or pay any unnecessary fees)
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Post by hlsto2 on Feb 8, 2013 19:42:03 GMT -5
hey...if you are so "anti-union" why don't you refuse to accept the benefits gotten you by the union? I hope if you have a CWO job you get the decimal in the right place. .02 cents?? my 2 cents is worth more than your .02 cents
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Post by stardustwx on Feb 8, 2013 23:50:47 GMT -5
sluroots: at sites that I was union steward, ALL members had a voice. So it was the GROUP working toward the same goal as a TEAM. I can't say I'm pro union but since I'm in one, I don't have any complaints except that as I said, we could be priced out of a job if the fight is only over pay increases. I'd rather have sick days myself
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Post by thunderstruck41 on Feb 13, 2013 14:50:53 GMT -5
Respectfully hlsto2, I do care. It bothers me to know that people that have paid dues out of their checks every pay period are not receiving the support that they should from PATCO. I am telling you that with the exception of acquiring you a pay increase once a year, that PATCO is a spineless wonder that has no more back bone today than they did thirty years ago. They cash your checks and give you very little thought. You see, since OSHA and other employer standards have been implemented, Unions hold very little purpose except to price you out of a job. Why do you think that more states are electing to become “Right to Work States vs. Forced Unionized”? The fact is that you are an employee with only employee concerns. You give little thought to your employer, and could frankly care less. But you should not forget this term, “Domino Effect”, or “Shit Rolls Down Hill”. Ask a Union member, which sadly is going to be out of a job soon, if all those pay increases was worth it? I would wager, that they would tell you no.
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Post by coldlover on Feb 13, 2013 15:07:32 GMT -5
How about asking a non-Union member that's losing their job if no pay increase was worth it??? The point is-- I have hard time believing -- after looking at the stations closing May 1st flight counts and airports scores over the last 3 years,, that the Unions' priced them out of a job. Look at LBB,, nearly a 40% drop in flights since 2000. If $$ was simply the answer,, CWO's would have been outta of jobs years ago.
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Post by fu on Feb 13, 2013 18:27:16 GMT -5
You give little thought to your employer, and could frankly care less. But you should not forget this term, “Domino Effect”, or “Shit Rolls Down Hill”. . Read some of the other threads on this site such as the one where one company is having an SWO do the admin duties from home without pay because they will not provide a computer for his office, or the one about a company in the past that ripped the workers off of their H&W payments. Are all the employers like that? Of course not, but the fact that their are some is one reason why the union exists to keep shit like that from happening again. Also a consistent theme of your posts is that the "union" is going to price everyone out of a job. When was the last time one of the contractors that you seem so concerned about offered to reduce the profit they make on these sites to prevent them from closing? They know full well what sites are union sites and which aren't when they submit a bid and if they were so bothered by the fact that 80% of the sites are unionized they should look for another line of business to get into.
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Post by wxlover on Feb 13, 2013 21:40:09 GMT -5
Most companies will take advantage of you if you let them. Unions help provide a balance to that. Overpowered unions would be just as bad as overpowered companies.
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