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Post by ralph on Jun 13, 2016 13:20:44 GMT -5
Hey, Anyone else get a letter today from PATCO, Bottom- We Are Back letter, I just got one in todays mail. it really does not say much. Did give phone numbers for Mark Neimeiser 850-591-7007- Jerry Tuso 800-373-5777 and Sam Neimeiser 850-566-2036- Office 850-942-6636 as stated in news letter.. As Ever Ralph
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Post by flyguy on Jun 13, 2016 16:32:40 GMT -5
I got my letter from Patco today also. The first paragraph is their excuse for no quarterly news letter. The first sentence in the second paragraph is "The FAA's plan to close 47 Contract Weather Sites, have been thwarted for the time being."
I pretty sure it was 57 sites Patco. Way to be on top of it...
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Post by toofarnorth on Jun 13, 2016 17:16:44 GMT -5
Snail takes a bit longer to Alaska - I'm looking forward to their first effort in too long.
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Post by coldairfunnel on Jun 13, 2016 23:58:39 GMT -5
The only information I got out of the letter was that Jack Seddon died 3 months ago (and they are just now informing the membership??). All I gleaned from it is a feeble attempt to acknowledge our complaints we have made on this forum. If he spent the time to send us the garbage he did, then why not go all out and spend a little more time telling us what they are actually doing or have done? I can answer that. Because they haven't done diddly squat. And he just gave himself another 3 months to try to come up with something in the next Bottom Line. Send him our e-mail address? What the hell is "HIS" e-mail address? One more thing...47 sites?? I know it was just a simple typo but come on...proof read before sending....
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Post by toofarnorth on Jun 14, 2016 14:36:54 GMT -5
samneimeiser@aol.com - was listed in Jerry Tuso's last Bottom Line.
They're listening, they heard us, and they've tried. Try being thankful, encouraging, and helpful, instead of bitter.
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Post by coldairfunnel on Jun 15, 2016 0:08:34 GMT -5
toofarnorth...I am not being bitter. I am stating fact. I don't see one damn thing they have done since the FAA announced they would be closing the 57 sites. Statements like "we are doing some stuff" or, "some good things are happening and some not so good things are happening" doesn't cut it with me. Tell me what the "stuff" is and "the good things" and the "not so good things" are and maybe I will stop bad-mouthing them. The fact is they can't tell us because they haven't done anything. If they had they would have told us by now. I'm sorry you don't see through their guise unless, perhaps, they have told you something in your conversations with them that you are not telling us. If so, then you are no better than they are. That's not meant as an insult to you. I think you are doing a great job trying to keep us all working together. I just don't see how you can consistently defend them when, it appears to more than a few of us on this forum, that they are not fighting very hard for us. Just my opinion toofarnorth. Keep up the good work....
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Post by ralph on Jun 15, 2016 3:51:20 GMT -5
toofarnorth...I am not being bitter. I am stating fact. I don't see one damn thing they have done since the FAA announced they would be closing the 57 sites. Statements like "we are doing some stuff" or, "some good things are happening and some not so good things are happening" doesn't cut it with me. Tell me what the "stuff" is and "the good things" and the "not so good things" are and maybe I will stop bad-mouthing them. The fact is they can't tell us because they haven't done anything. If they had they would have told us by now. I'm sorry you don't see through their guise unless, perhaps, they have told you something in your conversations with them that you are not telling us. If so, then you are no better than they are. That's not meant as an insult to you. I think you are doing a great job trying to keep us all working together. I just don't see how you can consistently defend them when, it appears to more than a few of us on this forum, that they are not fighting very hard for us. Just my opinion toofarnorth. Keep up the good work.... Well said North, I Agree
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Post by ralph on Jun 15, 2016 3:53:50 GMT -5
toofarnorth...I am not being bitter. I am stating fact. I don't see one damn thing they have done since the FAA announced they would be closing the 57 sites. Statements like "we are doing some stuff" or, "some good things are happening and some not so good things are happening" doesn't cut it with me. Tell me what the "stuff" is and "the good things" and the "not so good things" are and maybe I will stop bad-mouthing them. The fact is they can't tell us because they haven't done anything. If they had they would have told us by now. I'm sorry you don't see through their guise unless, perhaps, they have told you something in your conversations with them that you are not telling us. If so, then you are no better than they are. That's not meant as an insult to you. I think you are doing a great job trying to keep us all working together. I just don't see how you can consistently defend them when, it appears to more than a few of us on this forum, that they are not fighting very hard for us. Just my opinion toofarnorth. Keep up the good work.... Well said North, I Agree That should have been Coldair well said. its to early
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Post by tornado on Jun 15, 2016 8:23:55 GMT -5
For example, one of the things PATCO could do, is get a booth at the National Weather Association's annual meeting. This year it will be in Norfolk, Virginia, from September 10-15th: NWA Annual Meeting, Norfolk Booths cost from $900-$1,300.
If we could spread the word to the many media outlets who would undoubtedly have weathercasters present, that could help our case in more than one way. Not only would it raise awareness of the issue, but our cause could gain additional contacts, some of whom would likely run news stories on our plight. We could rotate different observers in to help man the booth, and explain what is going on.
The American Meteorological Society has its annual meeting in Seattle, Washington, from 22-26 January 2017:
AMS Annual Meeting, Seattle
One would think state climatologists and other researchers, would be interested to know the situation. By the way, the stated theme for the next AMS conference, is "Observations Lead The Way".
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Post by toofarnorth on Jun 15, 2016 14:44:38 GMT -5
Great idea Tornado - I forwarded it to Sam in an email, with the added suggestion that since he isn't a weather observer, that he find one or more of us to attend Norfolk and Seattle with Union help. More ideas folks? These are the kinds of things that PATCO needs to hear to help us. caf & ralph - I've reported what Sam has told me - he has not asked me to withhold anything, other than the delay in reporting Jerry's involvement. I'm not looking for smoke from them that would be counter to their own interest - I choose to give Sam the benefit of the doubt while at the same time examining the things said and the situation carefully. I disagree with the charge of "done nothing" leveled at PATCO, while wanting them to do more and communicate regularly with us. Can we agree to help them help us?
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Post by coldairfunnel on Jun 15, 2016 23:59:14 GMT -5
They should be helping us regardless. But yes, if they would start communicating and throwing out ideas and suggestions, I would gladly participate....
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Post by toofarnorth on Jun 29, 2016 15:02:24 GMT -5
Received this in email from Mark Neimeiser about an hour ago...
Pursuant to questions raised by some of you regarding DOT/FAA Budget, one of our Union lobbyists (Karl Stark) gives the following thumbnail projection of where things are. In short, its not soup yet. Regards. Mark Neimeiser
Hi Mark- Apologies for the delay. The short answer is that the president’s budget is not and will never be enacted. Yes, the administration has been pushing this, and we continue to delay action through the short-term extensions that Congress and the agencies actually operate under. While the below report and the one early show where the administration wants to go, those proposals are dead on the vine. We are hammering out the final agreement for Congress to reauthorize the FAA, and that negotiation will continue into early next week. We are still trying to get the language from Sen. Collins last winter included, but I won’t know for certain until early next week. That reauthorization is supposed to go through the end of 2017. Our first concern with live ammo will be the budget congress needs pass by 10/1 of this year. After that, it will be in next year’s appropriations process. In the meantime we will continue to make our case to the administration and use congressional allies to slow down FAA action. Let me know if you’d like to chat further before next week let me know and we can set up a time.
-Karl
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Post by coldlover on Mar 2, 2017 7:12:15 GMT -5
I know several on here are not on facebook. The following was posted on the FAA Contract Weather Observer page on facebook yday.
**For the record-- I'am not the author of the post** just passing along info.
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"((FYI)) Just for the record, I'm not one to put stuff out for public consumption before tangible results are obtained.
-----Original Message----- From: K.S (AFSCME) To: M.N. (PATCO) Cc: J. H. (AFSCME) Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2017 Subject: FW: Senate Appropriations letter opposed to FAA privatization
We have secured CWO protection language in the upcoming budget bill for finishing FY 2017 as well as a placeholder for the next spending bill, which will be a contentious legislative fight immediately following the current budget. (see email below)
I’ll get you a write-up you can share around by end of the week.
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From: H.D. Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 To: K.S. Subject: RE: Senate Appropriations letter opposed to FAA privatization
We have language opposed to that in our FY17 bill and if in a CR we intend to include similar language to that affect in that vehicle as well.
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From: K.S. Subject: FW: Senate Appropriations letter opposed to FAA privatization To: H.D. Importance: High
Thanks much for all the work and staying in touch. let me know anything specific AFSCME can do—we’re currently working hand-in-glove with PASS and AFGE and a broad non-NATCA labor letter is coming in the next few days.
thanks again,
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NOTE: It was confirmed this morning in a conversation I had with the NUHHCE trial committee chair that the following action came as a direct result from a January hearing in Philadelphia I attended in the company of Lindy Rice, Mark Neimeiser and a host of senior NUHHCE officials. Hopefully this will be the first of sustained lobby actions on the part of PATCO's parent organization AFSCME. Stay Tuned.."
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Post by alstein on Mar 2, 2017 15:16:54 GMT -5
Is that saying they expect the act protecting us to be extended a year, or that they're expecting a huge fight over it?
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Post by lostsheep on Mar 2, 2017 17:36:39 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the info COLDLOVER. Good up to September 30,2017 and who knows after that and dosen't the current bill keep our program alive until Sept 30,2017?
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