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Post by alstein on Sept 9, 2021 14:18:51 GMT -5
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Post by northwx on Sept 9, 2021 15:14:18 GMT -5
As of 5 minutes ago, Red Jen is promising "new measures in the war against the coronavirus" but has said nothing about vaccine mandates. (SRN radio network news) Vaccine mandates are being tested in court as a violation of the right to privacy, enforcement would be an Orwellian nightmare. My station is 100% vaxxed - by choice not mandate - but there comes a point where biden is just full of hot air and his "war" is pointless public relations. Yes, it is a serious disease - but it has a survival rate (even the delta) of 99.6%. IMHO, we need to develop herd immunity through exposure to the virus - eventually enough people will have had it that it won't keep spreading. Funny how we hear NOTHING about natural immunity from the feds or about any research in that regard. Faux Xi is all about himself and keeping his mug on TV... Sorry for the rant, I'm just really tired of hearing about it and more govt control attempts... Continuing to keep this as front-page news is just a way to keep all the other bad stuff the politicians are doing out of the news and conditioning us to give up freedom because of our fear.
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Post by alwayswx on Sept 12, 2021 21:21:56 GMT -5
Northwx,
Why must you try and make jokes with people's names? Keep your day job, you are not funny. I was told to keep politics out of this forum.
Of course there is no word on enforcement yet. The above posts were put out about the same time the Executive Order was issued. The following is part of the order;
(b) By September 24, 2021, the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force (Task Force) shall, as part of its issuance of Task Force Guidance, provide definitions of relevant terms for contractors and subcontractors, explanations of protocols required of contractors and subcontractors to comply with workplace safety guidance, and any exceptions to Task Force Guidance that apply to contractor and subcontractor workplace locations and individuals in those locations working on or in connection with a Federal Government contract or contract-like instrument (as described in section 5(a) of this order).
So, the contractors probably have not received the guidance yet on how this will be enforced.
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Post by northwx on Sept 13, 2021 18:33:16 GMT -5
Alwayswx, I respect that some will disagree with me, particularly politically... This whole thread is political, so I'm guessing you agree with the mandate by your complaint of my pointing to the obvious. My comment was not intended to be funny - I'm steaming angry over the whole subject - this disease should have never happened, nor the mishandling and destruction of economies. In the case of the good doctor, what he does and what he says tells me Chinese spy. Though my sister the nurse has met him and thinks he's the greatest since sliced bread, I strongly disagree and will express my disrespect of that man wherever. He is the face of the government lies about a terrible disease that he helped cause through "gain of function" experiments that he oversaw. Does he care? I think so, I just think he's way past his competency level. Good info on the "task force". BTW, "my body my choice" - when the government seizes the power to inject us with anything, no matter how "beneficial", we have descended to yet another terrible level of tyranny. That said, my whole station is vaxxed - voluntarily. I think getting the vaccine is a good idea.
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Post by tornado on Sept 14, 2021 8:14:25 GMT -5
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Post by alstein on Sept 15, 2021 10:04:56 GMT -5
Above was what I was referring to.
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Post by northwx on Sept 15, 2021 17:07:03 GMT -5
Rumors in the internet news are that OSHA is going to be empowered to enforce.
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Post by wxguy on Sept 16, 2021 9:38:25 GMT -5
Is the Facebook group active still? I wonder if anyone is worried about how many people will be let go if this is enforced. It sounds like the task force has a deadline of next Friday to issue guidance.
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Post by tornado on Sept 16, 2021 11:37:25 GMT -5
Is the Facebook group active still? I wonder if anyone is worried about how many people will be let go if this is enforced. It sounds like the task force has a deadline of next Friday to issue guidance. That's a valid concern. Even the EO is supposed to address that issue. "This clause shall specify that the contractor or subcontractor shall, for the duration of the contract, comply with all guidance for contractor or subcontractor workplace locations published by the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force (Task Force Guidance or Guidance), provided that the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (Director) approves the Task Force Guidance and determines that the Guidance, if adhered to by contractors or subcontractors, will promote economy and efficiency in Federal contracting. This clause shall apply to any workplace locations (as specified by the Task Force Guidance) in which an individual is working on or in connection with a Federal Government contract or contract-like instrument (as described in section 5(a) of this order)."
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Post by alstein on Sept 16, 2021 11:56:09 GMT -5
Definitely will be part-timers moving up. We'll manage.
Besides, folks who want to keep the job and not get vaxxed just have to get a test at their own expense and time once per week.
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Post by wxguy on Sept 16, 2021 12:13:06 GMT -5
I thought this latest executive order took away the testing option? If that's still an option staffing should be fine.
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Post by alwayswx on Sept 16, 2021 13:54:32 GMT -5
There is NO test out option in the Executive Order. At least I don't see it after reading the order.
Alstein, where do you see a test out option. We would be very interested in a test out option. Our contractor is interested also.
Are we going to be required to show vaccine card to Vendor? I doubt any vendor would just take the word of SWO that all are vaccinated. The vendors have too much to lose, by not verifying paperwork.
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Post by vorticity on Sept 17, 2021 10:53:28 GMT -5
There is no test-out option in the new Executive Order. The new EO basically upped the ante. Enforcement will be through a secure online portal similar to what is being used right now for FAA executives, managers, and non-bargaining unit employees. However, all of this is going to wind up in federal court, and we'll see if it is all upheld in litigation. jonathanturley.org/2021/09/10/admission-against-interest-white-house-chief-of-staff/
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Post by tornado on Sept 22, 2021 8:50:24 GMT -5
There may yet be a test-out option. From an article dated Sept. 22 in The Epoch Times:
We'll see; then we'll know. Also, once the emergency is over, it appears the rule would expire. Of course, the article
said this will apply to private employers with 100 or more employees; but how could the same rule not apply to contractors and federal employees without violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment?
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Post by alwayswx on Sept 22, 2021 12:35:10 GMT -5
The "rule" you are quoting is not from the Executive Order for Federal contracting. There is another order for the private sector, that references the over 100 employees, NOT Federal Contractors. Read the above EO you posted. It mentions NOTHING about 100 employees or testing option.
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