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Post by alstein on Sept 25, 2021 0:13:12 GMT -5
I doubt the contractors will fire folks over this. Too many folks will openly defy. I expect BS religious exemptions up the wazoo.
Personally I think the antivaxxers should have to pay for their own tests.
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Post by coldlover on Sept 25, 2021 1:33:16 GMT -5
I doubt the contractors will fire folks over this. Too many folks will openly defy. I expect BS religious exemptions up the wazoo. Personally I think the antivaxxers should have to pay for their own tests. Why is any religious exemption (or any, medical etc,) BS? It's an actual law that was voted on by said members in congress at the time. ( other than this BS Biden EO mandate ( that circumnavigates rights for 60 days) that will eventually get shot down in the Supreme Court) And FTR- most of us that have not taken the vaccine are not ANTI-VACCINE-- in my case I don't think this vaccine or any is bad, it's when force comes I look to history and when force comes, it usually doesn't stop at just one "poke". Again- not an anti-vaxxer, just someone that is looking out for the future pass Covid for other crazy thing under this admin that said they would not do it. Clearly- this mandate is against citizens rights as it's not technially a "law". Give it time and this will be shot down as "Too many folks will openly defy "- and for good reason(s). What are vendors going to do when they can't man stations with enough manpower to fulfill contract stipulations they have made with the FAA? (this is going on). Hiring takes weeks, if not months. And with a potential GOVT shutdown, what does that add to the mix?
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Post by alwayswx on Sept 25, 2021 2:15:44 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what religion does one belong to that makes a person exempt from getting a vaccine? Does that same religion have rules about telling the truth? Maybe, we should all go to our local hospital and hurry along herd immunity or we can all inject a disinfectant, that might be better then for all of us.
Citizens rights, you have the right to not get a vaccine. You also have the right to work for an employer that does not require the vaccine, but employers have the right to make their rules. Federal contractors can choose to not bid Federal Contracts. No ones rights are being taken away.
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Post by alwayswx on Sept 25, 2021 2:19:43 GMT -5
I bet contractors will FIRE workers. The contractors don't want to lose their lucrative contracts. Remember, contractors are making good money on these contracts. There is a lot for them to lose if they don't follow rules for contractors.
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Post by ScarTissue22 on Sept 26, 2021 11:48:04 GMT -5
But yet the congress/legislative branch, congressional staff, judicial branch White House staff CDC employees FDA employees USPS workers NIAID employees Pfizer employees Moderna employees illegal aliens ARE ALL IMMUNE or just do not need it......
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Post by coldlover on Sept 27, 2021 2:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by coldlover on Sept 27, 2021 3:07:40 GMT -5
But yet the congress/legislative branch, congressional staff, judicial branch White House staff CDC employees FDA employees USPS workers NIAID employees Pfizer employees Moderna employees illegal aliens ARE ALL IMMUNE or just do not need it...... "When the law doesn't apply to lawmakers you not being governed: you're being ruled"
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Post by alstein on Sept 27, 2021 7:46:42 GMT -5
I bet contractors will FIRE workers. The contractors don't want to lose their lucrative contracts. Remember, contractors are making good money on these contracts. There is a lot for them to lose if they don't follow rules for contractors. I have heavy doubts anyone will get fired over this- most folks when facing losing their job will comply- that has been the case. as for losing workers, only about 20% of workers are antivaxx at most, and most of them will comply. You might have 1 or 2 stations where there is a problem, but that can be solved quickly. No one's irreplacable.
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Post by northwx on Sept 27, 2021 15:01:45 GMT -5
If you think you must fight this, nothing is actionable legally until damages occur - if anyone loses their jobs over this, then you can sue. It is highly unlikely that any court will issue an injunction preventing termination. Waiting for all this is not workable. I see no class action suits in progress either.
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Post by northwx on Sept 27, 2021 15:17:29 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what religion does one belong to that makes a person exempt from getting a vaccine? Does that same religion have rules about telling the truth? Maybe, we should all go to our local hospital and hurry along herd immunity or we can all inject a disinfectant, that might be better then for all of us. Citizens rights, you have the right to not get a vaccine. You also have the right to work for an employer that does not require the vaccine, but employers have the right to make their rules. Federal contractors can choose to not bid Federal Contracts. No ones rights are being taken away. alwayswx, the religious objections from Christians fall into two categories: 1. the rumor that aborted fetal cells were used in the research that produced the vax; and 2. that the legal precedent is being set that will allow the government to "mandate" that everyone will have to take the mark of the beast in order to be able to buy or sell. I can't speak for other religions.
My body, my choice. I'm not anti-vax, just anti-mandate. We have the right to keep our jobs - you want me fired? Pay me off and I will leave more or less quietly... About 5 years salary plus expected raises plus the cost of the extra taxes might be a good place to start negotiating. Otherwise government overreach, see ya in court. (BTW, my whole station is fully vaxxed, including me, so the threat is moot.)
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Post by alwayswx on Sept 28, 2021 1:02:20 GMT -5
North, your say you are vaccinated, but very defensive. Numerous vaccines have been required for many years. Many employers already require different vaccines. Why does this vaccine seem so "my body my choice", when we are in a WORLD WIDE PANDEMIC? But don't worry, the virus will disappear in May. Also, you will not hear about Covid-19 after election day, some people still feel its a hoax. (sarcasm)
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Post by northwx on Sept 28, 2021 16:48:14 GMT -5
Recognizing that you are faa alwayswx, I find your advocacy and sarcasm offensive. I grieve for the tyranny being inflicted on America - the mandate is unconstitutional - the mandate cannot be accomplished legally by executive order. biden is president, not dictator. Yes, the courts let stand a large number of EOs from the obama era - mostly because they weren't challenged. biden is following the lead of his mentor. I don't believe the virus is a hoax, but I do believe the perpetual state of fear being promoted is part of the tyranny. Mortality statistics show COVID is only slightly more deadly than the common flu. What is a problem is that the entire human populace has never seen this bug before - so the rate of contagion is quite high. Its mutability is about on par with the flu also. I do see the possibility of a world-wide communist takeover based on what is happening through the COVID bravo sierra, election fraud (yes, exaggerated by the right, but it did happen), and the near total loss of respect for truth in our cultures - especially in the media. There is no more civil discourse. Bipolarity will destroy our nation - the loss of freedom is just a symptom. The mandate is also discriminatory - there are too many exemptions, some racially motivated and/or politically motivated. The changing story line we're being fed tells me that the "authorities" don't know what they are talking about. Masks don't prevent transmission - but we have to wear them... The COVID vax doesn't prevent the disease, unlike ALL of the previous vaccine mandates - all it does is help reduce symptoms and help us with a stronger immune response. So, to explain my studied opinion in a sound bite: "My body, my choice." So those who want should have the vaccine made available to them, those who don't want it should not be required to take it. No one is talking about defining herd immunity or how to achieve it. Natural immunity is the only thing that is going to slow this disease - now that it has been released, it will be with us for a very long time. If someone is fearful, let them mask up and get vaxxed - don't force others because of your own fear. I freely chose to take the jab, because it looked like a good idea - an idea I still hold to.
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Post by alwayswx on Sept 29, 2021 15:05:44 GMT -5
northwx, You work for the FAA. We all work for the FAA. After reading many of your posts, you don't appear to respect the FAA, controllers, especially FAA Management. Personally, I hated my job when I lost respect for my boss and employer. I resigned and found a better employer.
You stated Covid-19 is SLIGHTLY more deadly the the flu. Really? How many died from Covid vs Flu last year? Covid-19; over 500,000. Flu; 22,000. Not even close.
Again, nobody is forcing a shot in anybody. We have the choice to work for who we work for. Companies and Govt have the right to set working conditions, in this case is mandating a vaccine shot. It is a choice, and it should be a choice. I recommend talking with your health care professional before getting a vaccine shot. I mean a real Doctor, not someone that diagnose people on WX boards or social media.
Election Fraud? Really? Where? When? How? No evidence... Election Fraud/rigged election was said prior to 2016 election. No proof of election then, or for the 2020 election.
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Post by northwx on Sept 29, 2021 17:50:25 GMT -5
northwx, You work for the FAA. We all work for the FAA. After reading many of your posts, you don't appear to respect the FAA, controllers, especially FAA Management. Personally, I hated my job when I lost respect for my boss and employer. I resigned and found a better employer. You stated Covid-19 is SLIGHTLY more deadly the the flu. Really? How many died from Covid vs Flu last year? Covid-19; over 500,000. Flu; 22,000. Not even close. Again, nobody is forcing a shot in anybody. We have the choice to work for who we work for. Companies and Govt have the right to set working conditions, in this case is mandating a vaccine shot. It is a choice, and it should be a choice. I recommend talking with your health care professional before getting a vaccine shot. I mean a real Doctor, not someone that diagnose people on WX boards or social media. Election Fraud? Really? Where? When? How? No evidence... Election Fraud/rigged election was said prior to 2016 election. No proof of election then, or for the 2020 election. alwayswx, I respect respectable people - many in the faa are respectable folks. Directly, I work for a contractor, under an faa contract under faa rules. What I find is a series of folks who got promoted beyond their competency level making decisions that affect safety, health, employment, and peace of mind. I personally have been in situations where I had to make a choice to threaten to sue the faa over what should have been a trivial matter because some wahoo manager made a stupid decision and wouldn't back down when requested - administrative remedies took an inordinate amount of time. This problem gets worse as people are promoted up through the ranks. This problem is endemic to bureaucracies - because of the way we pay and promote people within them. Not everyone in the faa, not even many managers, fall into this criticism. The ground troops - the folks doing the grunt work - are by and large good people trying to do a good job on a daily basis. The wahoos leave a lasting impression. I don't appreciate retribution and persecution from folks that just want to play bully - respect is a two-way relationship - and that includes you. I don't mind an faa troll representing the agency on this forum board - just don't blow smoke at us.
COVID mortality: as a percentage of infections COVID is only slightly more deadly than the flu - I won't take the time to quote sources or document my numbers - it appears that folks believe the sources they choose to. Personally, I'm very skeptical, all the while personally affected by several COVID deaths. Where do you get 500,000? - only if you say that everyone who died of a heart attack (and other comorbidities) while having a COVID infection died of COVID - and is that half mil just the U.S.? Are you really saying that (500,000/330,000,000) 1.65 out of every thousand people in the U.S. have died of COVID? I dispute that number.
Election fraud: Arizona forensic audit for starters; PA, GA, even Alaska District 27; and more... We can't change what happened, but we must change the processes that lead to such fraud. It appears you are suggesting I resign if I'm unhappy... I like where I am, the people I work with, what I'm doing, and even my job - I'm not quitting anytime soon, and I WILL continue to work to improve our program, weather reporting to/for pilots and other weather info consumers as appropriate. That might include exposing stupid decisions. The vax does not prevent or even slow contagiousness - if you are afraid or otherwise think the vax is a good idea, then take the shots - but don't force me to take an experimental vaccine with its own set of potentially dangerous side effects as a condition of employment. ALL the other "required" vaccines for the military (for instance) actually prevent diseases. No one failing to get a COVID vax is going to increase or decrease the risk for anyone else - this whole charade is political theater playing with fear of a potentially deadly disease.
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Post by alwayswx on Sept 29, 2021 21:29:12 GMT -5
Calling people Wahoo, liars, and bullies is not a way to earn my respect. I was taught at about 7-8 years old to not call people names.
Done...
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