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Post by TCU 2U2 on Mar 14, 2013 10:49:29 GMT -5
From an FAA OIG report:
CTWG (contract tower and weather group) serves as the technical and programmatic focal point for the Contract Weather Observation (CWO) and FAA Contract Tower (FCT) programs.
CTWG establishes standard operating procedures (SOPs) and processes for the CWO and FCT programs to ensure FAA standards, orders, and procedures are achieved in a quality and timely manner.
Key here is "programs", which would lead one to believe that the contact tower and contract weather are not one program, but two.
Now sequester on it's own can not shut down a program totally, only scale it back.
This may be why the wording on the slide presentation mentioned that the Alaska sites would likely remain operational, thus not shutting down the whole program, even though all A and B sites in the lower 48 would go back to tower ...
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Post by skywatcher on Mar 14, 2013 11:40:36 GMT -5
A new update from my ATC manager. She said the budget cutters are under extreme pressure about closing the CWO's. The original 14 will close on May 1st, and the other closings put on hold till they can sort things out. However, she again said they were told to be ready to take over OBS once the final decision is made. I guess we will find out next week if the closings will be staggered like prior post have said. As my previous post stated, some CWO's have been notified and my soon to be new contractor said most or all CWO's gone by Sept. 30th.
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Post by skywatcher on Mar 14, 2013 11:54:34 GMT -5
I forgot to mention, she said we had a glimmer of hope. Thinking on that, it sounds like they already had their minds made up on closing the rest of us.
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Post by stardustwx on Mar 14, 2013 15:23:20 GMT -5
we heard after a telecom our ATC manager had that we will NOT be affected by any CWO closings. We are an A site.
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Post by snowspinner on Mar 14, 2013 15:29:44 GMT -5
Another day of lake effect snow yesterday: 42 SPECI 40 WX BACKUPS/AUGMENTS 76 REMARKS 7 VFR 15 MVFR 27 IFR 13 LIFR How could a controller do all of that PLUS their job?
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Post by lostsheep on Mar 14, 2013 17:38:10 GMT -5
Money over safety, money always wins out!!!!!!
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Post by hlsto2 on Mar 15, 2013 0:46:06 GMT -5
We are a B site on the south end of tornado alley. April-June are our most active severe weather months, with a less active fall severe weather season. One one shift last spring (3pm-11PM) I had three separate waves of tstms move across the airport, all with hail. One day, 17 tornadoes were confirmed within 50 miles of our site. Let's see the tower deal with that! The union rep for our tower called and said they had heard nothing about taking over ASOS...yet. Before we started the first contract in 2003, the tower manned ASOS. One severe weather event knocked out all the ASOS sensors...and nothing was backed up. How can the FAA say with a straight face that no loss of service will occur with towers manning ASOS? Look at the the mess that is being made at C sites! A and B would be even worse with the added requirements.
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Post by okie on Mar 15, 2013 4:18:33 GMT -5
At least twice in the last 36 hours our A-site has had to back up wind, visibility, and sky condition just moments before metar transmission. Everything was fine just a few minutes before, and about 30 minutes afterwards, but without quick intervention on our part, those two metars would not have had complete weather data. I suppose tower personel could have scrambled to provide back up data on time, or else sent a correction shortly afterwards, but unless the weather is good and flight operations are slow, I wouldn't want them having to prioritize between the planes in the air and the weather data needed to keep them safe. It doesn't happen frequently, but there are entire days, several times a year, when we must back up everything due to some sort of electrical or communication break down at the ASOS unit itself. Often we can input the data directly into our OID so that ASOS can transmit the Metars and Specials as it normally would, but sometimes it becomes necessary to call them in, which again would be more time spent having to prioritize between air traffic and weather data. When weather is good and flight operations are slow, I would be the first to admit that the tower is perfectly capable of performing our responsibilities in conjuction with theirs, but this is frequently not the case and I would sure hope that the bean-counters at the FAA are at least putting some consideration into how best to prioritize these responsibilities should the CWO program be eliminated.
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Post by snowspinner on Mar 15, 2013 8:35:09 GMT -5
Last year we did manual observations for 36 straight hours...I can't see the tower doing that!
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Post by swifterz on Mar 15, 2013 9:23:28 GMT -5
We did manual obervations last year for an entire weekend. The ASOS went completely down and they weren't able to get it up and running again until Monday.
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Post by coldlover on Mar 15, 2013 9:33:03 GMT -5
Last OCT-- our ASOS stopped polling for around one week. The screen worked fine-- but no long line transmissions were sent out and every ob was called in to be transmitted. NO way in hell an ATC is going to do that.
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Post by skylar on Mar 15, 2013 11:15:31 GMT -5
Guys, calm down. The FAA is looking at options and obviously they are looking at all possibilities, however, the possibility of the CWO being shut down would be an extreme decision. Even if the FAA makes this decision it is unlikely congress would not require the FAA to find a less extreme solution. Be cool!
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Post by stardustwx on Mar 15, 2013 15:24:42 GMT -5
Guys, calm down. The FAA is looking at options and obviously they are looking at all possibilities, however, the possibility of the CWO being shut down would be an extreme decision. Even if the FAA makes this decision it is unlikely congress would not require the FAA to find a less extreme solution. Be cool! ;D
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Post by okie on Mar 19, 2013 13:09:24 GMT -5
Quoting from: www.contracttower.org/ctanews/aug2012.pdf"I decided to take a closer look at the specific impact this sequestration process will have on the Federal Aviation Administration, a subject I have written about in the past. That agency, which is responsible for the safety and efficiency of all aspects of civil aviation in the United States, has a $15 billion annual budget distributed among a range of activities. It provides nearly a fourth of those funds as grants-in-aid to local airports. That might be a place where the largest share of the cut could be taken, but the sequestration law won’t allow it. Nor will it allow a disproportionate whack to be taken at facilities and equipment, which accounts for another fifth of the agency’s budget. The required 9 percent to 10 percent cut in Federal Aviation Administration spending, about $1.35 billion, must be taken equally from all activities, and that includes operations—in other words, the control towers. Even within the agency’s operations account there is little flexibility. Some airports, mostly smaller ones, are operated under contract, which means the control towers are run by employees of a private contractor and not by Federal Aviation Administration controllers. But since the money that supports those contracted services are discussed separately in the Appropriations Committee reports that fund the agency, they are, under the terms of the sequestration law, a separate activity and must be cut by no more or no less than the funding provided for agency-operated control towers..." (pages 13 & 14 of the .pdf) Now, I also came across this: events.aaae.org/sites/090708/assets/images/0708_2FCT%20Program%20Office%20Update%207-28-09.pdfGranted the numbers there are for fiscal year 2009, but if slide number 4 is to be believed, the entire CWO program only costs about $50 million a year to operate. The sequestration impacts discussed in the first link offers a possible explanation, but for the life of me I can not fathom how our government can not fund an annual budget of $50 million to keep our skies and climatological records safe. We spend a whole heck of a lot more every year on countries that don't like us, waging wars that others are not willing to fight or fund, re-building them after the fact, and so on. But setting aside whatever military and foreign aid spending, there is a lot of money wasted domestically as well. Surely the meager budget of the Contract Weather Program should survive this self-inflicted crisis, or else our government is even more incompetent than any of us have dared imagine thus far.
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Post by skylar on Mar 19, 2013 13:50:24 GMT -5
Okie, I agree with every thing you said and I believe there must be some sensible people in the FAA who also agree.
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