cirrus
Junior Member
Posts: 86
|
Post by cirrus on Apr 19, 2013 14:58:26 GMT -5
We obviously don't need the union anymore... does anyone know how do get out of it so we don't have to waste anymore money on dues?
|
|
|
Post by kcfan on Apr 19, 2013 15:18:19 GMT -5
Cirrus, may want to first find out what will happen to your pay. I'm not a union member, but it would seem to me that your pay would revert to the DOL SCA Wage Determination Table if you drop the CBA. In many cases this can be significantly lower than the CBA. Just a thought.
|
|
|
Post by stardustwx on Apr 19, 2013 16:03:06 GMT -5
Cirrus, may want to first find out what will happen to your pay. I'm not a union member, but it would seem to me that your pay would revert to the DOL SCA Wage Determination Table if you drop the CBA. In many cases this can be significantly lower than the CBA. Just a thought. Yes, without a CBA (if you disbanded), you revert to wage determination wages. However, I believe if PATCO is still in place and you as an individual withdraw membership, you'd still be covered under the CBA for wages? Not sure but that would be the question.
|
|
|
Post by swifterz on Apr 19, 2013 16:39:51 GMT -5
Cirrus, may want to first find out what will happen to your pay. I'm not a union member, but it would seem to me that your pay would revert to the DOL SCA Wage Determination Table if you drop the CBA. In many cases this can be significantly lower than the CBA. Just a thought. Yes, without a CBA (if you disbanded), you revert to wage determination wages. However, I believe if PATCO is still in place and you as an individual withdraw membership, you'd still be covered under the CBA for wages? Not sure but that would be the question. That is correct, at my previous site I never got info about joining the union so I never did, but I did receive the same pay as everyone else. When I moved to the new job I started paying union dues. Starting this month, I don't have anymore dues coming out due to the complete lack of direction or work on our part by PATCO.
|
|
|
Post by sluroots on Apr 19, 2013 18:36:06 GMT -5
Why would any sane individual remain in a union, especially PATCO after this fiasco!!?? Hell nah. Money thrown away if you ask me. We all have come together better via this forum than any union did through this matter, and probably will continue to do so. Sure, we don't have the resources, but we have made our voices heard somewhat so far. Save you money, quit the union. Just stop the automatic withdrawl from the bank to the union in your paychecks. It'll take the union much longer to realize they are not getting money. After all, we've all seen on how top of things they are. What a joke they are.
|
|
|
Post by wxstorm on Apr 19, 2013 19:00:10 GMT -5
Who is Jerry Tuso ?
|
|
|
Post by stardustwx on Apr 19, 2013 19:32:38 GMT -5
He used to be the PATCO rep for the CWO
|
|
|
Post by ferrariwx1 on Apr 19, 2013 19:34:57 GMT -5
Of course I'm a union member and the way I look at it is, most sites are appox. $200-500 per month ahead of the DOL wage determination. Some sites less, due to difficulty bargaining with some contractors and length of time in the union. If we are paying anywhere from $45-60 a month in dues, it's still a pretty good deal.
|
|
|
Post by swifterz on Apr 19, 2013 20:21:37 GMT -5
Of course I'm a union member and the way I look at it is, most sites are appox. $200-500 per month ahead of the DOL wage determination. Some sites less, due to difficulty bargaining with some contractors and length of time in the union. If we are paying anywhere from $45-60 a month in dues, it's still a pretty good deal. A union isn't just there to get you higher wages. One of the big benefits of being in a union is that when shit hits the fan, as it is, they are supposed to be there to fight for your jobs. They shouldn't be there collecting your money and not doing anything to try and save your jobs.
|
|
|
Post by ferrariwx1 on Apr 19, 2013 20:39:55 GMT -5
Of course protection is key! I know the union has had to deal with shady contractors in the past and fought with them to give us some piece of mind. I know they have lobbiests in DC trying to dull this situtation, but hopefully this gets defused before it does hit the fan and lands all over our heads.
|
|
|
Post by wxstorm on Apr 19, 2013 20:48:01 GMT -5
I don't want to belabor the point here with PATCO but...I guess I am the stupid MF-er who thought PATCO was going to have some b*lls and actually get something done on our behalf. These guys are like a kitten running under the house at the sound of thunder. The guys on this board have done more in four weeks than any union has done. I am sorry for letting my troops down at my staton for recommending this wimpy union. I ain't saying no more. Now it is time for me to continue moving and help my collegues out.
|
|
|
Post by lostsheep on Apr 24, 2013 20:24:23 GMT -5
Same here wxstorm. I thought getting the Union in would help out in matters like this,but boy was I wrong. To think that I believed the Union would help actually was summed up by our current contractor long ago when he said: The Union will be good for your wages, but other than that, they'll be useless. Should have listen when he told me that it was a bad idea. I'm glad though that my dues will be used in buying someone a new Caddy or a trip to the islands sitting on the beach drinking Red Stripe !!!!! Live and learn.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 20:58:19 GMT -5
Anyone ever remember seeing any form of a financial statement from PATCO. I think that they have to be able to show that all union funds are used solely for the benefit of the union and it's members if I am reading this correctly. www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/smunion/smallunions.pdf
|
|
w0x
New Member
Posts: 44
|
Post by w0x on Apr 24, 2013 22:57:38 GMT -5
Anyone ever remember seeing any form of a financial statement from PATCO. I think that they have to be able to show that all union funds are used solely for the benefit of the union and it's members if I am reading this correctly. www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/smunion/smallunions.pdfLooks like under the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1959 or the LMRDA there should be annual reports done and filed. Maybe the Secretary for the parent union(s) FPD or AFSCME has the audits and the annual reports? (b) Every labor organization shall file annually with the Secretary a financial report signed by its president and treasurer or corresponding principal officers containing the following information in such detail as may be necessary accurately to disclose its financial condition and operations for its preceding fiscal year- www.dol.gov/olms/regs/statutes/lmrda-act.htm
|
|
|
Post by lostsheep on Apr 26, 2013 12:01:46 GMT -5
I think the Report sits at the bottom of the trash can!!!!!
|
|