wxuno
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Post by wxuno on Apr 9, 2013 18:52:35 GMT -5
Looks like what I've been hearing and reading for my sites date to close up shop..
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Post by sivelle on Apr 9, 2013 19:55:23 GMT -5
Not according to the agreed upon service standards that are currently in place. That is why they are trying to ramrod the plan through. Hokie can you get the doc from him so some of the experts here can check the fonts or tell us how they could make the same doc if they had the time to do so.  It was not the fonts that made it suspicious. It was the fact that if you checked the properties you can clearly see that it was made in 2005 and some of the information seemed a bit off. From that I can only come to 3 possible conclusions. 1) It was an old PowerPoint. 2) It was an old PowerPoint somebody used as a template. 3) We are being trolled. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it's the 3rd possibility because I love my job. However, I'm not a fan of being trolled and it would be nice if people would state their source. Give us a link, a name, document or say it's a rumor. Every rumor I've personally heard from tower personnel, my union rep or SWO is that the CWO program is at least partially safe. Our ATCs are not doing any extra training nor are there any plans of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 5:07:35 GMT -5
I just spoke with Jerry a couple hours ago to in some length and he told me outright that the only meeting he knew of was in Washington, D.C. next week between Congress and the FAA and that our lobbyists (PATCO) were going to be there to report back their findings of what went down. I am going to start calling Sen. Maria Cantwell and Sen. Kelly Ayotte tomorrow to lobby to them for our cause. It is imperative for them to bring us up in that meeting. They already have my letters, so there is no reason for them not to. We must get them to hear us and agree with saving our jobs if we have any chance with the FAA. Our steward also spoke with Jerry yesterday and he mentioned a meeting in Washington next week. He told her to expect an announcement from the FAA soon. |
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Post by stormpilgrim on Apr 10, 2013 5:43:47 GMT -5
This is like looking at the models five days out on a snowstorm. May as well call Psychic Hotline. Of course if she asks what a contract weather observer is, then you know that $3.99 was totally wasted.
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Post by fu on Apr 10, 2013 6:30:20 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpDxCo2vicNot according to the agreed upon service standards that are currently in place. That is why they are trying to ramrod the plan through. Hokie can you get the doc from him so some of the experts here can check the fonts or tell us how they could make the same doc if they had the time to do so. It was not the fonts that made it suspicious. It was the fact that if you checked the properties you can clearly see that it was made in 2005 and some of the information seemed a bit off. From that I can only come to 3 possible conclusions. 1) It was an old PowerPoint. 2) It was an old PowerPoint somebody used as a template. 3) We are being trolled. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it's the 3rd possibility because I love my job. However, I'm not a fan of being trolled and it would be nice if people would state their source. Give us a link, a name, document or say it's a rumor. Every rumor I've personally heard from tower personnel, my union rep or SWO is that the CWO program is at least partially safe. Our ATCs are not doing any extra training nor are there any plans of it.
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Post by skywatcher on Apr 10, 2013 7:25:24 GMT -5
Again, all we know is something is cooking, and that is where all the hear says come in. Just like my ATM has said, and others with similsr remarks, be prepared just in case. That being said, if the FAA is rewriting the 7900B5 again, they will not tell any ATC to begin taking the obs test until the new updates are in place. I believe most of the word of mouths from ATM's, but what they repeat to us is what they hear on telco's - be prepared just in case.
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Post by tornado on Apr 10, 2013 8:36:47 GMT -5
I can't speak for someone hearing from someone else. I can only speak for what I personally heard from Jerry. Perhaps he heard Washington as Austin. Does Austin make sense to anyone? My guess is he heard Jerry wrong. I was just posting the message about Austin to keep everyone informed, because I scrolled through the recent posts and saw no mention of the meeting in question. No, I did not talk to Jerry Tuso personally; my union rep did. Regardless, the important thing is that there is a meeting taking place next week to discuss the future of the CWO program. My apologies to the group for any confusion.  |
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Post by alstein on Apr 10, 2013 8:45:36 GMT -5
We need to hope the unions are willing to go lawsuit-happy to drag this out as long as possible if necessary.
Otherwise, we might need to do it ourselves. (we'd obviously have standing)
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Post by skywatcher on Apr 10, 2013 9:13:28 GMT -5
This is what my ATM was told. Most of the rumors are true. The FAA has a list of several options dealing with the CWO. Some deal with who stays open, who closes - weather being the deciding factor. The p/t list is still being dealt with. Another is all but 30 sites close, and the biggie is all sites closing. She said the staged list rumor is an option. So it comes down to common sense verus budget cuts. The Supreme Court of the FAA will make the final decision on which option to go with. Hopefully all sites will remain open, even if p/t.
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Post by jimtheweatherguy on Apr 10, 2013 10:05:15 GMT -5
My CWO is within sight of next week's meeting. I have witnessed during my 17 years here that once in a while people from the FAA would take a trip across the river to pay us common weather folks a visit. Maybe they will again to see what they may be cutting? I have not heard any official word about our future. I DID hear from a NWS Service Tech on Saturday (while trying to workout yet ANOTHER ASOS glitch) that the FAA put in a Purchas Request for a new OID and it would be placed in the tower and that the ATC's would take over 'the weather'. But the tech didn't hear anything else about it the last two weeks. I guess we all will find out after next week. It was a kick in the gut when the tech mentioned it. My airport is a high level A (in the top 25) and I always held out hope that they would keep the top 30 open. But you should never assume anything when it comes to the government.
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Post by chachiman on Apr 10, 2013 10:12:20 GMT -5
I just contacted Sen. Maria Cantwell's office to see if they got my letter and they have received it. I had to leave a message on an answering machine at Sen. Kelly Ayotte's office. It is my hope that they know about us now and are going to say something to the FAA about the importance of our jobs in that meeting next week. Also my letter is in the hands of a staffer of the chairman on the Subcommittee on Aviation in the House, so it is circulating around up there in Washington now. Hopefully they are going to hash us out and support us against what the FAA wants to do. My local Congressman and Senator also have my letter and their staffers are working on it now, so hopefully there will be correspondence soon dealing with the outcome of our jobs. I am really glad though that the Subcommittee on Aviation people are working towards a resolution to our issue it seems after talking to Rep. Lobiondo's office and Rep. Rick Larsen's office too. They assured me that they were very concerned about the aviation safety issues surrounding our jobs at service level B and A airports.
Also got a call into Sen. Jay Rockefeller's office too. Did not get to talk to someone yet there, but going to keep trying. I sent one of my letters to him also and they should have it. Fingers crossed and praying for a great outcome for our jobs guys. Those that pray, now is the time to pray so our jobs will stay.
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Post by chachiman on Apr 10, 2013 10:35:20 GMT -5
I just spoke with one of Sen. Jay Rockefeller's staffers and he took down some comments about the importance of saving our jobs that I made and is going to make it a priority he says to get the information to Sen. Jay Rockefeller and there has not been a press release yet for the meeting between the Senate and the FAA as of yet at least not through his office, but they are aware there is probably going to be one shortly. We shall see, they all have my contact and let's see if they do anything to even try to help us.
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Post by tornado on Apr 10, 2013 11:48:39 GMT -5
In the House of Representatives, here is a list of who is on the aviation subcomittee: Republican Members: Frank A. LoBiondo (NJ), Chairman Thomas E. Petri (WI) Howard Coble (NC) John J. Duncan, Jr. (TN) Sam Graves (MO) Blake Farenthold (TX) Larry Buschon (IN) Patrick Meehan (PA) Daniel Webster (FL) Jeff Denham (CA) Reid J. Ribble (WI) Thomas Massie (KY) Steve Daines (MT) Roger Williams (TX) Trey Radel (FL) Mark Meadows (NC) Rodney Davis (IL) (Vice Chair) Bill Shuster (PA), (ex-officio) Democratic Members: Rick Larsen (D-WA) Subcommittee Ranking Member Peter A. DeFazio (D-OR) Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX) Michael E. Capuano (D-MA) Daniel Lipinski (D-IL) Steve Cohen (D-TN) André Carson (D-IN) Richard M. Nolan (D-MN) Dina Titus (D-NV) Sean Patrick Maloney (D-NY) Cheri Bustos (D-IL) Corrine Brown (D-FL) Nick J. Rahall, II (D-WV) (ex officio) Issues under the Aviation Subcommittee’s jurisdiction include: •Federal Aviation Administration •Air Traffic Control Modernization •Use of the Navigable Airspace •Airport Improvement Program Grants •Airport Capacity/Environment •Aviation Safety •Aviation Antitrust Issues •Commercial Aviation •General Aviation •Aircraft Manufacturing •Air Carrier Operations •Essential Air Service for Small Communities •National Transportation Safety Board •International Aviation •War Risk Insurance •Aviation Labor and the Railway Labor Act •Aviation Security, including the Transportation Security Administration Source: democrats.transportation.house.gov/subcommittee-aviation |
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Post by alstein on Apr 10, 2013 12:07:33 GMT -5
Who in that list has an airport that is in their district that has CWO's. Coble, Norton, who else?
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Post by tornado on Apr 10, 2013 12:47:36 GMT -5
Some of these representatives are from districts with no A or B sites; but many do have such sites within their districts, or nearby/adjacent to their districts. The ones who do have such sites, are as follows:
TYS- John J. Duncan, Jr. (TN), McGhee-Tyson, Knoxville (A)
MCI- Sam Graves (MO) Kansas City Intl (A)
CRP- Blake Farenthold (TX) Corpus Christi (B)
PHL- Patrick Meehan (PA) (his district is adjacent to PHL) (A)
MCO- Daniel Webster (FL) Orlando Intl (A)
CVG- Thomas Massie (KY) Cincinnati/Nrn KY Intl (A)
BIL- Steve Daines (MT) Billings (B)
AUS- Roger Williams (TX) Austin-Bergstrom (A)
PBI- Trey Radel (FL) (his district is adjacent to PBI) (B)
ORD- Rodney Davis (IL) (his district is adjacent to both ORD & MDW); and Daniel Lipinski (whose district lies just SW of MDW)
EUG- Peter DeFazio (OR) Mahlon Sweet Field, Eugene (B)
BWI/DCA- Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC) her district lies between BWI & DCA (both A sites)
DFW- Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX) Dallas (A)
BOS- Michael Capuano (MC) Logan Intl, Boston (A)
MEM- Steve Cohen (TN) Memphis Intl (A)
IND- Andre Carson (IN) Indianapolis Intl (A)
DLH- Richard Nolan (MN) Duluth Intl (B)
LAS- Dina Titus (NV) McCarran Intl, Las Vegas (A)
LGA- Sean Patrick Maloney (NY) (his district lies just north of NYC) (A)
JAX- Corrinne Brown (FL) (her district stretches from JAX to MCO, both A sites)
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